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I guess I am the only idiot on this forum who thinks someone could start big and handle it. As I said before, almost anyone can handle any bike if they learn how to control it properly. The thing is, if you hit a wall, car, truck etc at 60 you are probably just as dead as if you hit the wall at 150. Slower does not always mean your chances of survival will be greater.
There are guys that come into the local bike shop here and they are huge (250 pounds+) these type ppl just don't fit a 250 or 500). So they want a bike that fits thier size more and this just happens to be a 600, 750, or 1000. If someone starts out on a big bike does not mean their death is not gonna come any sooner or later because they have a smaller bike.
I guess I am the only idiot on this forum who thinks someone could start big and handle it.
yep you are an idiot for thinking that.
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Originally Posted by DarkGixxer98
As I said before, almost anyone can handle any bike if they learn how to control it properly.
undoubtedly true, but from a safety stand point some things just dont come natural to people. is it possible to start big and survive, yes but the key word is survive, do you really learn how to ride by starting big, probably not as much as starting small. lets put it in perspective for the former math major, if i wanted to learn calculous how would i go about it? i would assume you can either start right with calculous and it would be painful, or you start with algebra and work your way to calculous.
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Originally Posted by DarkGixxer98
The thing is, if you hit a wall, car, truck etc at 60 you are probably just as dead as if you hit the wall at 150. Slower does not always mean your chances of survival will be greater.
you have shown exactly how stupid you are, reaction time at 60 gives you better survival rate then reaction time at 150, but why the hell would you be going 150 on the road?
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Originally Posted by DarkGixxer98
There are guys that come into the local bike shop here and they are huge (250 pounds+) these type ppl just don't fit a 250 or 500). So they want a bike that fits thier size more and this just happens to be a 600, 750, or 1000. If someone starts out on a big bike does not mean their death is not gonna come any sooner or later because they have a smaller bike.
those fat asses need to lose weight or just stick to cruisers, i got a friend thats pushing 300 that started on a 78 150 of some sort.
I've got a good deal on a 1000cc bike, stretched and lowered...
Please tell me this is a JOKE.
Oh, and Hes from Florida too, what a surprise!!!!
EDIT: He drives a "so called" 650HP Ferrari Killing Vette, so Im sure he wont be squidly at all on the bike.
Also, this translates to motorcycle skill didnt you know?
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Last edited by DaleCaliente : 04-01-2008 at 11:59 AM.
I guess I am the only idiot on this forum who thinks someone could start big and handle it. As I said before, almost anyone can handle any bike if they learn how to control it properly. The thing is, if you hit a wall, car, truck etc at 60 you are probably just as dead as if you hit the wall at 150. Slower does not always mean your chances of survival will be greater.
There are guys that come into the local bike shop here and they are huge (250 pounds+) these type ppl just don't fit a 250 or 500). So they want a bike that fits thier size more and this just happens to be a 600, 750, or 1000. If someone starts out on a big bike does not mean their death is not gonna come any sooner or later because they have a smaller bike.
Your post seriously makes me doubt you actually READ anything anyone has to say around here.
I would highly doubt you have ever sat on all those bikes to compare and what you are doing is only spewing opinionated babble with zero experience to back it up. THAT is what gets people flamed, not for starting on a big bike.
There is a SERIOUS difference in the riding position and ergonomics in a Sport Tourer, (Ninja 250/500) vs. a Super Sport Bike, and Cruisers even more so. CC has little to do with ergos, sorry.... FAIL!
EXAMPLE: My first bike was a VFR400R (Sport Tourer) and it felt vastly more spacious than my R1. The only thing my R1 had over my VFR is that it was wider which means jack to back up your statement.
Here in Japan, you can buy both ZZR600's and ZX-6r's and they feel VERY different just to give one example. The ZZR's, sit the rider more upright, and the foot pegs are further forward taking more of the rider's weight off the wrists.
There, I have stated my observations and my experiences to back them up but if you want to me to give an example of just an opinion... here's one for you.
If you want to try and tell me that at 250lbs, you will "fit" any SuperSport.... I call
It seems in the past there was I am going to get this (bad first choice) bike what do you think?? type of threads.
and NOW all I am seeing are threads that say, hey I read the stickies and I know people say get (the right first bike) but I am going to get the (bad first choice) anyways type of threads.
Seriously is all that caffeine and medical waste that entered our water supply now taking effect?? Cause I am dumbfounded... on this explanation of behavior. Quit with the justification.
And no a liter bike is a REALLY bad first bike.
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I hate you for your car.. but my parents aren't rich so it'll take me a few years to afford a vette... er.. cayman S
Well we arent rich either. My dad spent a year building it. It was almost done and he passed away... So I begged my mom and we spent a little bit of the life insurance to finish it. Its beautiful. But, its never worth it when you lose someone you love. But, yeah its a great car. He wanted me to become a pilot, so thats what im doing.
i'm sorry for the loss of your father, last year my girlfriend's father passed away and it was a hard time for me because i was so close to him and she was a wreck and still is... i think you should look at this decision with him in mind.. he wanted you to be a pilot you said, and you are going to go after that as a dream that you and your father had (i presume).
i'm not expert but i'm pretty sure, pilots start out in classrooms learning about the machine they're going to operate, then they take various eye training classes because your eyes can move much quicker than you neck and pilots have to be able to see everything at such high rates of speed that they're flying at.. next i believe they start training in a simulator which is the closest thing to actually flying a plane.. then i believe they go up in the air with a veteran pilot who essentially is like a driving instructor, allowing the student pilot to understand the controls of the car and also assisting or jumping in if necessary.
and pilots (as far as i know) don't automatically start taking off and landing planes their first day, they have to learn how to do it, practice and then work their way up to it.
the reason why i'm bringing up the pilot thing is because it holds true in the world of sportbikes. don't take my advice though, i would listen to everyone else on this board more than i would listen to me.. i've learned a lot of things from the people on this board and i feel they're trying to help you out and not put you down.. i didn't learn the correct way to ride a motorcycle, i learned from family on bikes that were larger than life with terrible handling.. so like i said, i'm not trying to preech or anything.. if you feel the need to get a litre, and won't turn back then by all means go ahead but use caution..
but if i were you i'd think about pilots/planes and compare it to the bike... a litre bike is like a rocketship with how fast they go and so are airplanes.. i could never imagine flying an airplane because of how much skill it takes to fly one properly.. i feel the same holds true for all motorcycles, especially a high performance 998cc motorcycle..
+1 to what Bush said. I'm 6'1", and I am usually cramped on supersport bikes. Also, depending on the year, R6's and R1's were very, very cramped--the joke being that Yamaha didn't make adult-sized bikes.
SS bikes are derived from racing bikes. Pro racers are small dudes, thus the bikes are meant to fit smaller-average sized humans. Again, paraphrazing Bush, "engine size has nothing to do with physical bike size," and to take that a step further it also has nothing to do with the ergornomics--how high the pegs are, how low the bars are, etc.
Good analogy, smashbox. It's also like learning any sport. Do you go out and play with the pros right away? No! You learn the fundamentals, progress, then you begin to play at a higher level.
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What I dont get is why new riders on hear always ask "Im thinking of (insert 600/1000cc bike here) for my first bike. Is this ok?" On top of the question they say they have read the stickies and have experience with high HP cars.
If you have read the stickies then you know a 600 is not a beginner bike. 1000cc bike that is stretched is just asking for trouble plus is stupid as hell. The bike is so far changed from what it is supposed to be and handle its something all its own.
A high HP car such as a corvette is nothing like a SS bike. If you make a small mistake in a corner or give a little to much gas traction control and stability managment come in a save your dumb ass. On a bike if you give to much throttle or brake your ass is gone. There is no computer to help stabilize a bike except for you
Re-read the stickies before asking a stupid f-ing question like that. If you still dont get it through your head and buy that bike then never ride around me. Im sorry If I sound too much like a dick but people ask some stupid questions when they already know the answers.
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Last edited by Saidin270 : 04-01-2008 at 01:15 PM.
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I started on a Thunderace,always owned a liter,and currently have 2. Depends how much u know the whole clutch,throttle deal. Start on what ur comfortable,no need to be on a 300lb motorcycle powered by John Deere if ur a beginer,but it really does depend on how new of a beginer u are.
Your post seriously makes me doubt you actually READ anything anyone has to say around here.
I would highly doubt you have ever sat on all those bikes to compare and what you are doing is only spewing opinionated babble with zero experience to back it up. THAT is what gets people flamed, not for starting on a big bike.
There is a SERIOUS difference in the riding position and ergonomics in a Sport Tourer, (Ninja 250/500) vs. a Super Sport Bike, and Cruisers even more so. CC has little to do with ergos, sorry.... FAIL!
EXAMPLE: My first bike was a VFR400R (Sport Tourer) and it felt vastly more spacious than my R1. The only thing my R1 had over my VFR is that it was wider which means jack to back up your statement.
Here in Japan, you can buy both ZZR600's and ZX-6r's and they feel VERY different just to give one example. The ZZR's, sit the rider more upright, and the foot pegs are further forward taking more of the rider's weight off the wrists.
There, I have stated my observations and my experiences to back them up but if you want to me to give an example of just an opinion... here's one for you.
If you want to try and tell me that at 250lbs, you will "fit" any SuperSport.... I call
Just because you 250+ plus does not mean you are a fat person. I go to the gym all the time and there are wieghtlifters that are 5'6 that are pushing 250+. Now if you are a fat person sure might not fit and need a cruiser.
i'm sorry for the loss of your father, last year my girlfriend's father passed away and it was a hard time for me because i was so close to him and she was a wreck and still is... i think you should look at this decision with him in mind.. he wanted you to be a pilot you said, and you are going to go after that as a dream that you and your father had (i presume).
i'm not expert but i'm pretty sure, pilots start out in classrooms learning about the machine they're going to operate, then they take various eye training classes because your eyes can move much quicker than you neck and pilots have to be able to see everything at such high rates of speed that they're flying at.. next i believe they start training in a simulator which is the closest thing to actually flying a plane.. then i believe they go up in the air with a veteran pilot who essentially is like a driving instructor, allowing the student pilot to understand the controls of the car and also assisting or jumping in if necessary.
and pilots (as far as i know) don't automatically start taking off and landing planes their first day, they have to learn how to do it, practice and then work their way up to it.
the reason why i'm bringing up the pilot thing is because it holds true in the world of sportbikes. don't take my advice though, i would listen to everyone else on this board more than i would listen to me.. i've learned a lot of things from the people on this board and i feel they're trying to help you out and not put you down.. i didn't learn the correct way to ride a motorcycle, i learned from family on bikes that were larger than life with terrible handling.. so like i said, i'm not trying to preech or anything.. if you feel the need to get a litre, and won't turn back then by all means go ahead but use caution..
but if i were you i'd think about pilots/planes and compare it to the bike... a litre bike is like a rocketship with how fast they go and so are airplanes.. i could never imagine flying an airplane because of how much skill it takes to fly one properly.. i feel the same holds true for all motorcycles, especially a high performance 998cc motorcycle..
best of luck with all your future endevors
But even as Smashbox says he started on bigger bikes also. So it's entirely possible
But even as Smashbox says he started on bigger bikes also. So it's entirely possible