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All i was doing was asking. I only figured the stretching and lowering would make it easier as the center of gravity was lower. I didnt know it would mess with other handling. so i will take all your advice and start small. But i see how easy it is to deal with the devil and go 250's too small... well 600's not much bigger than 500. and look at the deal on that 750. But safety becomes and issue. So this is where my personally responsibility comes out and i decide 600 or smaller. hows that sound?
Stretching makes a bike go straight. Sportbikes are supposed to be about cornering so from most sport riders' perspectives, lengthening a bike "ruins" the handling. Lowering the bike also brings hard parts (like the mufflers, pegs and stand) closer to the pavement where they can drag in a turn. None of these things are a big deal for your typical boulevard cruiser guys (until they have to make seven turns in a parking lot so they can go the other way because their bikes are so long and low.) Still, if that floats their boat, I'm OK with that - but asking about stuff like that on a sportbike forum usually brings a lot of derision. Maybe there is some kind of custom bike forum out there that would be a little better when it comes to bike like that.
On your other comments, all bikes cannot be judged by CCs alone. A 900cc cruiser is considered "small" where as a 900cc sportbike is "big." The reason is they make their power differently. Most of the 500s and 250s you see in the US are twins - and have a predictable, linear power band. Most of the 600s are in line 4s and make their power in a way that builds in intensity as you go up the in the revs. 1000 to 2000 rpms is nothing 6000 to 7000 is a big damn jump.
Most 600 supersports are pretty dangerous for new guys to start on, a 750 more so and 1000 even more. The problem is we don't know you or the kind of riding you like to do so we are giving generic advice. thing is, its pretty good advice too.
Here's advice...don't start on a liter bike, don't start on a 750 and don't start on a 600. Take the MSF before anything. After that buy a 250/500 or MAYBE a SV650 or 650R.
In the motorcycle world your Corvette is equivalent to a 500/650 twin. 600 an Enzo, 1000 we'll call it an F1 car.
Do you see people driving either of those as their first car? Just doesn't make sense to give someone with no experience a machine that is far too complex. SS bikes need precise inputs to move safely. A new rider just doesn't have the skill to provide those kinds of inputs into the bike.
So there's my answer to your questions. Take the MSF, buy a used starter bike, ride it for a year. After that year you should have the skill and knowledge to safely operate a SS bike.
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Will the 250 ninja even do 100?
I thought it toped near 88?
The flames are there because of the # of people who come in here and ask similar questions - all these guys are nice guys who want to see riders be safe and live a long time - but you are probably newb #40099 to ask the exact same question. Eventually these nice guys get tired of explaining the same thing over and over - thus the flames -
The truth is - if you read the stickies - you know starting small is the way to go - you are not a rossi/hayden prodigy - you have to learn the skills like everyone else - a motorcycle is not the place to be bumping up your ego - a 250/500 will be fine - buy it - ride it for a year or 2 - then buy whatever you want... you will thank all those flames the day you ride that new SS bike.
(I came here asking if it was ok to start on a 600.. got yelled at.. bought a 250 - very glad I did - my f4i is way more fun now - i doubt i'd be half the rider i am if it werent for the 250 time)
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don't start on a liter simply because you don't have the skills yet or experience to handle the bike when shit hits the fan.
start small, get experience then after a few seasons or years go for the liter bike as you get into sport biking your perspective of wanting a liter bike might change as you grow more knowledgeable of bikes. This is your first bike not your last so why start off the wrong way?
Do it safely for the loud haul not the short thrill
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well im 6'8" from what i've read... in the "NEW RIDERS READ THIS" sticky and such. a 250 wont be comfortable. and it appears the 500's are on the same or similar frame...
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well im 6'8" from what i've read... in the "NEW RIDERS READ THIS" sticky and such. a 250 wont be comfortable. and it appears the 500's are on the same or similar frame...
only way to know for sure is to sit on one - even after 250s and 500s cramp you up - you still can look at sv650's and ninja 650r's as a last resort...
the "im too big to start small" arguement is also very common... and very invalid...
I hate you for your car.. but my parents aren't rich so it'll take me a few years to afford a vette... er.. cayman S
Start on something small... learn to ride... then you can not kill yourself on the nicer looking bike... your penis will not shrink riding around on a ninja 250 - unless a ducati 1098 rolls by... but all our's shrink in that situation....
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well im 6'8" from what i've read... in the "NEW RIDERS READ THIS" sticky and such. a 250 wont be comfortable. and it appears the 500's are on the same or similar frame...
Have you considered starting on a mid-size cruiser? It might not be the type of bike you'll ultimately want to ride, but it is a safer (and more comfortable for someone of your physical stature) platform to start on, and it will nevertheless allow you to hone the skills necessary for riding on the streets. As previously posted, the first step should be to sign up for a MSF BRC course if you haven't already done so.
If an SV650 doesn't fit, try a Yamaha FZ6. Many taller riders on this forum find this bike to be pretty comfortable to them, but still sporty enough to satisfy their adrenaline cravings (R6S motor in there). I agree with the guys here that a liter really is just too much bike for a beginner. Example: as you begin to get onto the throttle to power through a turn, a liter will be very unforgiving for even the slightest undulation on the throttle which can lead to a dangerous situation. Smaller CC bikes are more forgiving in this regard, hence the recommendation to start on a bike less than 600cc.
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If it means anything I had a good deal on an R1 I'm going to pass on so I can either buy a 250r or a used 500r. Difference between me and you is I never drove stick.
well im 6'8" from what i've read... in the "NEW RIDERS READ THIS" sticky and such. a 250 wont be comfortable. and it appears the 500's are on the same or similar frame...
a sport bike most likely wont be comfortable for you at all.
Okay guys, NO one wants to come on here. I did post in the New Rider Forum looking for some gentle responses. NOT a 6,7,8,9 guys flaming all over a question i put out. All you guys are doing is poaching the NOOB section. When a point is made, its over.
Obviously not...
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Okay, I've read all the stickys about starting small so please dont flame me for being a noob.
Many, if not all of these points have been made repeatedly over and over in the stickies. Despite this, we get countless people here every day who seem to come and ask the same questions going against the grains of advice and wisdom from those who have been there and done that already. Or those that have experience to back up their opinions. Many of the people who come to post these questions seem to feel that they're the exception to the rule. Few, if any really are that exception.
Starting small serves to make you a better rider in the end. You can start on something larger and survive. It's not impossible and it has been done. But those that start small tend to be far better riders as they progress.
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well im 6'8" from what i've read... in the "NEW RIDERS READ THIS" sticky and such. a 250 wont be comfortable. and it appears the 500's are on the same or similar frame...
Engine size does not determine physical size. Somebody your size is much more likely to be cramped on a supersport than a 500.
