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In order for me to get my European Army license I mush have a valid U.S. endorsement on my drivers license, an MSF card, and take the U.S. written and on bike test. The other option is to spend 2000 euro ($2800) on the German economy for motorcycle training. Since i dont speak German I got a plane ticket visited my parents, and got my license.
Well, in Oregon they have an Organization called Team Oregon that is sponsored by the DOT. You take the 3 day 15 hour course, its about 10 hours on bike time and 5 hours classroom time. After the course the DMV waives testing to get your license.
What I didnt realize until today is that MSF is not a general term for all safety classes In a nutshell they are not going to give me my license here unless my BRT card has the little motorcycle guy MSF logo on it. I am a little bummed I spent $1000 on leathers and gear, got a bike, and now i cant ride it because my U.S. license is not valid!
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that sucks man...sorry to hear that...
maybe you can contact the class you take and ask them if they can issue you a card with that little motorcycle guy on it?
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how many places in oregon offer the MSF course?
i thought this was kind of interesting, in dec 2006, msf sued team oregon and osu for copyright infringement saying they used the msf designed curriculum for the oregon basic rider training course.
MOTORCYCLE SAFETY FOUNDATION FILES LAWSUIT AGAINST OREGON STATE UNIVERSITY AND DIRECTOR OF TEAM OREGON MOTORCYCLE SAFETY PROGRAM TO PROTECT INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS
IRVINE, Calif., Dec. 15, 2006 - The Motorcycle Safety Foundation filed a lawsuit against Oregon State University, its president, and also against Stephen Garets, both individually and in his official capacity as director of the Team Oregon Motorcycle Safety Program of OSU, charging the parties with copyright infringement and violation of the MSF's rights under the Lanham Act.
The suit, filed in United States District Court for the Central District of California, alleges that the defendants willfully misappropriated the MSF's motorcycle safety and training curriculum materials in connection with the development and publication of Team Oregon's Basic Rider Training (BRT) curriculum materials, and prepared derivative works based on the MSF's copyrighted curricula. It also alleges that the defendants have sought to distribute the misappropriated curriculum outside the state of Oregon.
The suit further alleges that the defendants falsely associated the MSF with, and identified the MSF as an endorser of, the Team Oregon BRT, and that, in naming the BRT, they infringed on MSF's service marks in its current curriculum, the Basic RiderCourseSM(BRC).
The suit seeks to permanently enjoin the defendants from using the Team Oregon BRT, or any other product that infringes upon the MSF's copyrights, as well as from marketing or offering the Team Oregon BRT to other states or entities, and from making false endorsements.
"The MSF attempted on multiple occasions to resolve these issues without a lawsuit, but Oregon State University and Mr. Garets were unwilling to stop their unlawful conduct," said Stuart Philip Ross, an attorney with the law firm of Ross, Dixon & Bell, LLP. "After Team Oregon began attempting to market, distribute and offer the BRT curriculum materials to motorcycle safety programs in other states, and it became clear OSU would not prohibit this activity, the MSF had no choice but to take legal action to protect its intellectual property rights."
"The MSF has worked with the state of Oregon in connection with motorcycle safety training and policy for more than 20 years, and continues to support Oregon motorcyclists," said Dean Thompson, director, communications of the Motorcycle Safety Foundation. "The MSF currently works with the Oregon Division of Driver and Motor Vehicle Services on licensing issues. In fact, the MSF granted permission to Oregon, as it has to other states, to use content from MSF's Motorcycle Operator Manual in the 2005-2006 Oregon Motorcycle & Moped Manual."
"This is the first time in its history that the MSF has initiated legal action," Thompson said. "We would prefer to focus on our mission of making motorcycling safer and more enjoyable. But if an organization does not protect its intellectual property rights, it can lose them. The MSF does not object to another entity developing a different basic riding curriculum. However, the MSF does take issue with any entity that takes a shortcut by misappropriating the MSF's curriculum and misrepresenting it as its own."
The MSF has been developing and maintaining high quality, research-based rider education and training curricula to best meet the safety-related needs and interests of the motorcycling community for more than 33 years. The MSF invests significantly in the scope, quality and continuous improvement of its rider education and training system curricula, applying decades of experience and the intellectual rigor of experts immersed in motorcycle training and educational best practices. MSF RiderCourses are currently being used to train motorcyclists in all 50 states by a variety of entities such as state programs, the U.S. Military, the Department of Homeland Security and private organizations.
About the Motorcycle Safety Foundation
Since 1973, the MSF has set internationally recognized standards that promote the safety of motorcyclists with rider education courses, operator licensing tests, and public information programs. A not-for-profit organization sponsored by BMW, Ducati, Harley-Davidson, Honda, Kawasaki, KTM, Piaggio, Suzuki, Triumph, Victory and Yamaha, the MSF's mission is to make motorcycling safer and more enjoyable by ensuring access to lifelong quality education and training for current and prospective riders, and by advocating a safer riding environment.
The MSF works with the federal government, state agencies, the U.S. military, and others to offer training for all skill levels so riders can enjoy a lifetime of safe, responsible motorcycling. More than 3.5 million motorcyclists have taken MSF RiderCourses.
Annually, some 350,000 students are enrolled in training with MSF-developed curricula at nearly 1,500 MSF-recognized sites. Currently, about 7,800 MSF-certified RiderCoaches provide instruction, all of whom receive specialized training from more than 200 MSF-certified RiderCoach Trainers.
More information about the MSF can be found on its website at www.msf-usa.org.
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So your base doesn't provide a course? Mine does, but you have to have your own bike.
Yeah they do, as a matter of fact the MSF is teamed up with the military, but if you notice all the training locations are stateside. Over here about once or twice a month in the summer we have motorcycle training but it is not recognized as official for getting your license.
i thought this was kind of interesting, in dec 2006, msf sued team oregon and osu for copyright infringement saying they used the msf designed curriculum for the oregon basic rider training course.
MOTORCYCLE SAFETY FOUNDATION FILES LAWSUIT AGAINST OREGON STATE UNIVERSITY AND DIRECTOR OF TEAM OREGON MOTORCYCLE SAFETY PROGRAM TO PROTECT INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS
IRVINE, Calif., Dec. 15, 2006 - The Motorcycle Safety Foundation filed a lawsuit against Oregon State University, its president, and also against Stephen Garets, both individually and in his official capacity as director of the Team Oregon Motorcycle Safety Program of OSU, charging the parties with copyright infringement and violation of the MSF's rights under the Lanham Act.
The suit, filed in United States District Court for the Central District of California, alleges that the defendants willfully misappropriated the MSF's motorcycle safety and training curriculum materials in connection with the development and publication of Team Oregon's Basic Rider Training (BRT) curriculum materials, and prepared derivative works based on the MSF's copyrighted curricula. It also alleges that the defendants have sought to distribute the misappropriated curriculum outside the state of Oregon.
The suit further alleges that the defendants falsely associated the MSF with, and identified the MSF as an endorser of, the Team Oregon BRT, and that, in naming the BRT, they infringed on MSF's service marks in its current curriculum, the Basic RiderCourseSM(BRC).
The suit seeks to permanently enjoin the defendants from using the Team Oregon BRT, or any other product that infringes upon the MSF's copyrights, as well as from marketing or offering the Team Oregon BRT to other states or entities, and from making false endorsements.
"The MSF attempted on multiple occasions to resolve these issues without a lawsuit, but Oregon State University and Mr. Garets were unwilling to stop their unlawful conduct," said Stuart Philip Ross, an attorney with the law firm of Ross, Dixon & Bell, LLP. "After Team Oregon began attempting to market, distribute and offer the BRT curriculum materials to motorcycle safety programs in other states, and it became clear OSU would not prohibit this activity, the MSF had no choice but to take legal action to protect its intellectual property rights."
"The MSF has worked with the state of Oregon in connection with motorcycle safety training and policy for more than 20 years, and continues to support Oregon motorcyclists," said Dean Thompson, director, communications of the Motorcycle Safety Foundation. "The MSF currently works with the Oregon Division of Driver and Motor Vehicle Services on licensing issues. In fact, the MSF granted permission to Oregon, as it has to other states, to use content from MSF's Motorcycle Operator Manual in the 2005-2006 Oregon Motorcycle & Moped Manual."
"This is the first time in its history that the MSF has initiated legal action," Thompson said. "We would prefer to focus on our mission of making motorcycling safer and more enjoyable. But if an organization does not protect its intellectual property rights, it can lose them. The MSF does not object to another entity developing a different basic riding curriculum. However, the MSF does take issue with any entity that takes a shortcut by misappropriating the MSF's curriculum and misrepresenting it as its own."
The MSF has been developing and maintaining high quality, research-based rider education and training curricula to best meet the safety-related needs and interests of the motorcycling community for more than 33 years. The MSF invests significantly in the scope, quality and continuous improvement of its rider education and training system curricula, applying decades of experience and the intellectual rigor of experts immersed in motorcycle training and educational best practices. MSF RiderCourses are currently being used to train motorcyclists in all 50 states by a variety of entities such as state programs, the U.S. Military, the Department of Homeland Security and private organizations.
About the Motorcycle Safety Foundation
Since 1973, the MSF has set internationally recognized standards that promote the safety of motorcyclists with rider education courses, operator licensing tests, and public information programs. A not-for-profit organization sponsored by BMW, Ducati, Harley-Davidson, Honda, Kawasaki, KTM, Piaggio, Suzuki, Triumph, Victory and Yamaha, the MSF's mission is to make motorcycling safer and more enjoyable by ensuring access to lifelong quality education and training for current and prospective riders, and by advocating a safer riding environment.
The MSF works with the federal government, state agencies, the U.S. military, and others to offer training for all skill levels so riders can enjoy a lifetime of safe, responsible motorcycling. More than 3.5 million motorcyclists have taken MSF RiderCourses.
Annually, some 350,000 students are enrolled in training with MSF-developed curricula at nearly 1,500 MSF-recognized sites. Currently, about 7,800 MSF-certified RiderCoaches provide instruction, all of whom receive specialized training from more than 200 MSF-certified RiderCoach Trainers.
More information about the MSF can be found on its website at www.msf-usa.org.
Thats very interesting actually. I wonder what information they where misrepresenting?
Team Oregon is supposed to be a pretty good program, its a shame that they arent recognized by the military.
I am fairly new to street bikes so I cant say much but I thought the course was awesome! We learned things that I would have never thought about if I just hopped on a bike and started riding.
From what I was told, the higher ups have determined that riding is a dangerous activity so they make it as much of a pain in the ass as possible. Even when you do have your stateside endorsement and the MSF you still have to take a 4 hour orientation with a written test and an on bike test. You only have one shot if you fail once thats it you cant try again!
Yeah they do, as a matter of fact the MSF is teamed up with the military, but if you notice all the training locations are stateside. Over here about once or twice a month in the summer we have motorcycle training but it is not recognized as official for getting your license.
The problem is, they don't was us teaching new riders the basic skills and then sending them out on the streets to learn to ride in a country where driving conditions are very different. The whole idea behind this regulation is to keep noob riders from killing themselves trying to keep up with European drivers, it's the same setup all over the world for the military. We've got a big enough problem with experienced riders dying because of unfamiliar conditions.
You can try to get a command waiver, but I doubt they'll sign off on it. You can also contact an Oregon MSF and see if you can pay their fee, send them a fax of your other rider course card, and see if they'll issue you a MSF card based on your prior training. I have no idea if that will work, but you should at least give it a shot.
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This just blows!!
In a nutshell they are not going to give me my license here unless my BRT card has the little motorcycle guy MSF logo on it. I am a little bummed I spent $1000 on leathers and gear, got a bike, and now i cant ride it because my U.S. license is not valid!
