Want a 600? Read This! - Page 7

NeekTav · 05-29-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by acalliste

At the risk of sounding like a fascist, why would you want to argue about the stats? They do show that new and returning riders are at higher risk, right? And you do agree that starting on a smaller/lighter/less powerful machine is a better way to learn. The rest is semantics.

The goal is to make the learning experience better & safer for new riders. Every post arguing against it or the statisics that back it up has the potential to kill someone. I wouldn't want that on my conscience.

I'm argueing the stats because they are not the case closed arguement some think. There are much better ways to argue that side.Thats all.

NeekTav · 05-29-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lemosley01

Once again, in the absence of indicators, statistics are successfully used to predict human behavior.

Of course the statistics are not always correct. If there is a 15% chance you will crash in your first year, then there is an 85% chance you won't. If someone could predict who and who will not crash with 100% certainty, they would clean up in the insurance business.

No one has said 'you will crash if you start on a bigger bike', only that you are increasing the chances in an already dangerous endeavor.

Insurance companies use these statistics to determine how much to charge you. Someone with DUI or speed or at fault accidents will pay more than someone who has a clean record, but even someone with a clean record will pay 4 times or more to insure a CBR600 vs. a Ninja 250 or even a big Harley.

We can end it here.

Nice Discussion Lemosley01 !!

acalliste · 05-29-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NeekTav

I'm argueing the stats because they are not the case closed arguement some think. There are much better ways to argue that side.Thats all.

Such as, "because I said so"? That's the argument the other side uses.

Stats still clearly indicate what the reality of the situation is. Why become a statistic before you will believe what they are telling you?

kunosoura · 05-29-2007, 04:50 PM

I applaud the OP for his intent and execution of this thread. Just to add my two cents in the hopes that it may save someone:

I got my ninja 500 in December, first motorcycle, only experience was the MSF class. I dropped it the first day at a very low speed that left it unscathed. During the first 500 miles of my riding that bike I made numerous stupid mistakes all relating strictly to keeping the bike under control during turns, braking, etc. I committed and learned from these errors without consequence.

Last week I did level 1 of Keith Code's CA Superbike School and for the first time I rode a supersport, a ZX-6R. That thing was scary powerful. It handled like a dream, but I don't think I took it past 9K the whole day. I know that if I had made those same mistakes during my first 500 miles with that bike I would be out a lot of money both in repairs to the bike and myself.

Hope this helps someone.

Lewd Ferrigno · 05-29-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NeekTav

I wont get it this way either.Because I'm not playing. Trying to get me to answer questions one at a time so you can change the next question accordingly to try and ..... Sorry not taking the bait.

So, essentially, you will not answer a simple question to explain a point.

In other words, your obstinant and cannot follow a line of thought.

You have the opportunity to prove me wrong, so do it.

lemosley01 · 05-29-2007, 05:42 PM

FB - I think I know where this is going, but I'm curious now.

1) Don't drink or don't ride.

IwakuniDiver · 05-29-2007, 06:04 PM

Give it up Mosley.

This dude (NeekTav) was raised with the "Everybody is special" mentality and nothing you say will ever change that. When arguments turn to opinions, just walk away.

asylum11 · 05-30-2007, 12:01 AM

yeah..i just got a 600 f4i

first bike

very smooth, not overpowering, very nice. Yes, people can jump on 600's and and be just fine.

acalliste · 05-30-2007, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by asylum11

yeah..i just got a 600 f4i

first bike

very smooth, not overpowering, very nice. Yes, people can jump on 600's and and be just fine.

And you base this 'wisdom' on how much riding experience?

VermillionX · 05-30-2007, 08:26 AM

I am guessing not to much.

I started on a GS500. I felt like I wanted a big bike from the start. Acually I was looking at GSX-R 600s for my first bike. I liked the 500 but not as much as a 600. After getting the 500 I soon fell in love. It was a really nice bike. And it still had some power behind it. I got rid of that after a season and bought the bike I have now. I love my new bike. I can honestly say that if I had not ridden the 500 first I would be in alot of trouble. The powerband is so smoothe on the Duc that I dont even notice how fast I am going when I am in the twisties. The suspention is superb. Now for a new rider to jump on my bike and try to learn, it would be scary. The Duc is no where near as forgiving as the 500. I can say that I have alot of learning to do with this bike before I step up to another one. Just my thankful experience on a small bike changed my mind on big bike. And now I am looking for another 500 to ride around. I am going to keep the Duc for fun on back roads, but the 500 will be for commuting and gas milage.

lemosley01 · 05-30-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by acalliste

And you base this 'wisdom' on how much riding experience?

He's comfortable on the bike already - it can stop and go with him on it, so that means he is just naturally talented.

Shows how much we know - riding a motorcycle is easy!

acalliste · 05-30-2007, 08:29 AM

I hope he does a lot of this:

asylum11 · 05-30-2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by acalliste

I hope he does a lot of this:

yeah i do alot of that...^ but only for the close mindednes and shallownes for people who post like that on here

acalliste · 05-30-2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by asylum11

yeah i do alot of that...^ but only for the close mindednes and shallownes for people who post like that on here

So, promoting rider safety is closedminded and shallow?

Listen sweetie, you just got your first bike. You don't know what "very smooth, not overpowering" means.

And saying "Yes, people can jump on 600's and and be just fine" when you haven't been riding long enough to be able to consider yourself "just fine" is not real bright.

Think about the affects your words have on other new or aspiring riders. You don't know what you are talking about it, and it could get someone else hurt.

Lewd Ferrigno · 05-30-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by acalliste

So, promoting rider safety is closedminded and shallow?

Listen sweetie, you just got your first bike. You don't know what "very smooth, not overpowering" means.

And saying "Yes, people can jump on 600's and and be just fine" when you haven't been riding long enough to be able to consider yourself "just fine" is not real bright.

Think about the affects your words have on other new or aspiring riders. You don't know what you are talking about it, and it could get someone else hurt.

You misunderstood what he said. He said close mindednes and shallownes.