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This summer i wanna try to pickup a GT250r...however i just noticed it being air-cooled, so i have to ask about those engines in the early morning.
Ive been around many different ATVs, everywhere from easily starting air cooled, to my old pita air cooled, to easy liquids, and to my current pita liquid cooled.
however, im curious as to what its like with motorcycles. I leave for work anywhere between 4:50am and 5:50am depending on the shift and id like something that will atleast start easier then either of the ATVs i've had. It usually took 10min give or take for my ATVs to start.
In the bike world is there one cooling type i should look for in my situation??
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My Seca is air-cooled, and it'll start OK anywhere down to about 40. Below that, it starts to really dislike holding a steady idle, and if I want to ride, I have to stand there and operate the throttle to get it to run and warm up.
I have no idea how this translates to the rest of the air-cooled world- keep in mind also that the Secas are known for needing long warm-up times anyway.
My Seca is air-cooled, and it'll start OK anywhere down to about 40. Below that, it starts to really dislike holding a steady idle, and if I want to ride, I have to stand there and operate the throttle to get it to run and warm up.
I have no idea how this translates to the rest of the air-cooled world- keep in mind also that the Secas are known for needing long warm-up times anyway.
well any info is appreciated. I dont expect an exact answer, but hopefully some people with ninja 250s can chime in. It may not translate perfectly, but it will give me something to go off of.
These days bikes pretty much start and run just fine no matter how they are cooled. Fuel injected bikes don't even require a choke because the computer senses what the engine needs and richens up the mix for you.
A carborated bike usually requires you to use a choke to get it started, but just how much choke and how long you need to use it for can vary from bike to bike. On my bike, I set the choke, fire the engine and immediately start backing the choke off. When the bike starts to stumble a little I add just a bit of choke (just enough to keep it running) and put my helmet and gloves on. By the time I've done that, the bike has been running a minute or so and I can get on the bike, grab the throttle and shut off the choke altogether. I might sit there about 30 seconds adding just a little throttle (not revving) until the bike can really idle on its own (of course colder weather might mean I sit there a little longer.) Once the bike idles, I leave and it warms up on the move pretty quickly.
In all my years of riding, I have owned maybe one liquid cooled bike. I have never altered this process and I am usually on my way in nothing flat. You will not have any problems once you get the process down.
These days bikes pretty much start and run just fine no matter how they are cooled. Fuel injected bikes don't even require a choke because the computer senses what the engine needs and richens up the mix for you.
A carborated bike usually requires you to use a choke to get it started, but just how much choke and how long you need to use it for can vary from bike to bike. On my bike, I set the choke, fire the engine and immediately start backing the choke off. When the bike starts to stumble a little I add just a bit of choke (just enough to keep it running) and put my helmet and gloves on. By the time I've done that, the bike has been running a minute or so and I can get on the bike, grab the throttle and shut off the choke altogether. I might sit there about 30 seconds adding just a little throttle (not revving) until the bike can really idle on its own (of course colder weather might mean I sit there a little longer.) Once the bike idles, I leave and it warms up on the move pretty quickly.
In all my years of riding, I have owned maybe one liquid cooled bike. I have never altered this process and I am usually on my way in nothing flat. You will not have any problems once you get the process down.
This post has nothing to do with the cooling process of a bike. It is just how an engine recieves gas. I still dont see how the cooling of a bike has anything to do with how it starts. Now if you were talkin FI or Carbed, i get that.
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Originally Posted by ZQ8Dude
This summer i wanna try to pickup a GT250r...however i just noticed it being air-cooled, so i have to ask about those engines in the early morning.
Ive been around many different ATVs, everywhere from easily starting air cooled, to my old pita air cooled, to easy liquids, and to my current pita liquid cooled.
however, im curious as to what its like with motorcycles. I leave for work anywhere between 4:50am and 5:50am depending on the shift and id like something that will atleast start easier then either of the ATVs i've had. It usually took 10min give or take for my ATVs to start.
In the bike world is there one cooling type i should look for in my situation??
Air cooled bikes are essentially less efficient at dissipating heat. They can be a little cranky, but that honestly depends more on the fueling (jetting) than the cooling medium.
Where they are more susceptible to fueling issues is when they are hot. Sometimes, hot starts can be a pain in the ass.
This post has nothing to do with the cooling process of a bike. It is just how an engine recieves gas. I still dont see how the cooling of a bike has anything to do with how it starts. Now if you were talkin FI or Carbed, i get that.
It's obvious that the original poster is thinking that the way the bike is cooled has something to do with the way it will start. Since liquid cooled engines use a thermostat to help them warm up more quickly it seems to me that he thinks this will let him get on his way faster. His thought process makes sense when you think about trying to warm up a bike that is being cooled by the air as you are moving - will it warm up? What are the problems?
Rather than just answer the question he posed, which isn't the actual cause of what he thinks will happen , I answered the question he should have asked - the one that has the answer he needed to know: "It doesn't matter, and here is how you start one..."
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Originally Posted by tmkreutzer
In all my years of riding, I have owned maybe one liquid cooled bike. I have never altered this process and I am usually on my way in nothing flat. You will not have any problems once you get the process down.
I used to say I had the nicest remaining 91 GSXR1100 on the planet, Less than 10k miles and in awesome shape, but I went to the park a couple of weeks ago and a guy showed up on a pristine blue and white that was a little nicer. Mine has fewer miles than his, but his was 100 percent stock (mine has quite a few mods) and in super shape. How the hell it could have 15k miles on it and not even a single rock chip is beyond me...
I love my bike, but I had to admit that his looked like a factory museum piece. I thought it was a new GSXR when he pulled up - I had go get a good look before I realized just what year it was. Too bad my bike was at home, they would have looked totally cool parked there together...
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Originally Posted by tmkreutzer
I used to say I had the nicest remaining 91 GSXR1100 on the planet, Less than 10k miles and in awesome shape, but I went to the park a couple of weeks ago and a guy showed up on a pristine blue and white that was a little nicer. Mine has fewer miles than his, but his was 100 percent stock (mine has quite a few mods) and in super shape. How the hell it could have 15k miles on it and not even a single rock chip is beyond me...
I love my bike, but I had to admit that his looked like a factory museum piece. I thought it was a new GSXR when he pulled up - I had go get a good look before I realized just what year it was. Too bad my bike was at home, they would have looked totally cool parked there together...
There's an 87 sitting at Fred's dealership that's in good condition. I want to buy it and restore it to have around.
There is an older 750 on ebay (located in CT) that looks pretty nice too and right now the bidding is super low. Older GSXRs are getting kind of rare in the States but there seem to be quite a few around here, it never fails to surprise me.
air cooled in the early early morning?
