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I was watching some of the videos in the video section forum. I noticed in particular that on three of them (the one from the guy that hosts pinks, another from a moto gp suzuki, and another with a squid only in a jacket-all riding Suzukis) would appear to low side when they gave it some throttle turning and then the bike, the tire would catch and they would get thrown over the other side. Its there something that can be done to prevent this (obviously i have seen vids of guys at the track getting back on the throttle hard while exiting a turn and had no problem). Is it, like all things concerning riding a motorcycle, a matter of just taking small steps learning to apply more throttle while exiting a turn. All the video example happened at relatively low speeds, where I know bikes are less stable. An explanation would be greatly appreciated. Thanx
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If the rear slipped, then caught, and the rider was thrown to the opposite side, that's acutally a high-side. A low-side is where the tires simply lose traction and the bike slides to the outside of the turn.
Bikes in motion are inherently stable at resonable speeds with reasonable road surface. You have to work at it to upset either the chassis or traction to the point of extreme sliding. Keep all control inputs in moderation and you'll have a much smoother ride.
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Never out-ride your ability to react (even stop) within the distance you can see (at least on the street).
I can not teach you how to avoid one. It takes very subtle reactions to what the bike is doing: Move some weight to one peg, slide your bVtt a little, turn the handle-bars a bit. It is an instantaneous reaction to the bike.
I truly believe that riding dirt bikes prepares you the best for a slide and catch on a street bike.
The only advice I can pass on is: To stay calm and relaxed. Do NOT do anything in large movements. And the obvious - don't go there.
Oh, and I forgot about part of your question: Poor throttle control caused these accidents. Smooth and easy with a motorcycle throttle.
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I was watching some of the videos in the video section forum. I noticed in particular that on three of them (the one from the guy that hosts pinks, another from a moto gp suzuki, and another with a squid only in a jacket-all riding Suzukis) would appear to low side when they gave it some throttle turning and then the bike, the tire would catch and they would get thrown over the other side. Its there something that can be done to prevent this (obviously i have seen vids of guys at the track getting back on the throttle hard while exiting a turn and had no problem). Is it, like all things concerning riding a motorcycle, a matter of just taking small steps learning to apply more throttle while exiting a turn. All the video example happened at relatively low speeds, where I know bikes are less stable. An explanation would be greatly appreciated. Thanx
A high side can occur on the gas or on the brakes. What it amounts to is the rear tire losing traction and then regaining it suddenly.
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Highsides are something to avoid and worry about.
I can not teach you how to avoid one. It takes very subtle reactions to what the bike is doing: Move some weight to one peg, slide your bVtt a little, turn the handle-bars a bit. It is an instantaneous reaction to the bike.
I truly believe that riding dirt bikes prepares you the best for a slide and catch on a street bike.
The only advice I can pass on is: To stay calm and relaxed. Do NOT do anything in large movements. And the obvious - don't go there.
Oh, and I forgot about part of your question: Poor throttle control caused these accidents. Smooth and easy with a motorcycle throttle.
Slides on the street are dealt with differently that a dirt bike slide.
You are more likely to highside on the brakes on the street. This is not the case on the dirt.
Refer to the link I posted about braking high sides and tell me how that theory is dirt applicable.
Slides on the street are dealt with differently that a dirt bike slide.
You are more likely to highside on the brakes on the street. This is not the case on the dirt.
Refer to the link I posted about braking high sides and tell me how that theory is dirt applicable.
Why? I raced dirt bike for Suzuki. I have saved high-sides at 120 mph. And on and on and on. I am twenty years older than you and will probably be racing in the AFM by the end of the summer, so what the f# are you going to tell me, smart@ass: That I don't know what I'm talking about? Get a clue.
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Why? I raced dirt bike for Suzuki. I have saved high-sides at 120 mph. And on and on and on. I am twenty years older than you and will probably be racing in the AFM by the end of the summer, so what the f# are you going to tell me, smart@ass: That I don't know what I'm talking about? Get a clue.
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I've raced WERA, CCS and have also saved a highside at over 120 at RA. I will be racing CCS and WERA again this year and will be developing an FX bike this season with an eye towards running a AMA factory team for a European manufacturer, which I am negotiating at this point.
What's your point? That's racing, not street riding. Lots of 120MPH highsides happen on the street. This is a new rider and you're talking about power highsides and ignoring the most common cause of street highsides to tout your years of genius on the racing circuit.
Think about the advice you give, since this isn't the racetrack.
You give yourself far too much credit. You don't work me up at all. I enjoy ripping on you.
I just dont give you any more of my thoughts to rip apart and beat me with anymore. I got a little respect for some of the geezers around here. But i disagree with you some times. And i just keep it to myself.
Question about low siding?
I got a little respect for some of the geezers around here. But i disagree with you some times. And i just keep it to myself.