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I have taken the MSF course and have become very comfortable with riding. I have had some past experiences with dirt bikes and other vehicles of that nature. So why do i not want to get a 250 or a 500??? They are a waste of money.....why would i want one of those bikes when i am going to sell it in a month?? It is a joke...most of the guys on here dont even know what they are talking about.
If you are smart a lot of the 600s are good to start out on. I have a 600 now and its very fine for me. Even if you accidently hit the throttle too much through a turn its not going to be as bad as if you were on a 1000cc bike, your pretty much guarnteed to go down on a 1000. With an older 600 there is more room for forgiveness.
Do what you want but if you get a smaller bike you will be sick of it in a month.
You're obviously a veteran now after taking the MSF course...You know exactly how to master throttle control, animals, dirt, oil, unattentive drivers, decreasing radius turns, and countless other real world situations that you can only learn with time...So go get that Busa and let us know how it turns out...
But do me a favor and read all the crash stories on this site and others...Notice that the high, high majority of crashes are done by new riders...Also notice how many of them are riding a bike that isn't a 250 or 500...
They're called beginner bikes for a reason...And it would be, afterall, your 1st bike, not your last...
But you're obviously so smart you already know that...
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I am so glad that you guys are here for knowing everything. Your right i am so good i should just go out and buy a busa tomorrow. no what i am trying to say is that 1000 bikes are less forgiving than 600 bikes. I know and have seen plenty of people start out on 600 bikes and be fine. Plus the fact that indiana is not as crazy of a driving city as most of the other cities you guys live in. quit lying to people saying that they need to start out small. they can start out medium if they are responsible and not stupid. i am not stupid and obey every law and do everything that is necessary to keep my life safe and out of harms way.
I am so glad that you guys are here for knowing everything. Your right i am so good i should just go out and buy a busa tomorrow. no what i am trying to say is that 1000 bikes are less forgiving than 600 bikes. I know and have seen plenty of people start out on 600 bikes and be fine. Plus the fact that indiana is not as crazy of a driving city as most of the other cities you guys live in. quit lying to people saying that they need to start out small. they can start out medium if they are responsible and not stupid. i am not stupid and obey every law and do everything that is necessary to keep my life safe and out of harms way.
Yes others have started on 600's and been fine. But MANY MANY more have not. You can start on whatever you want and take it easy for many years and be just fine. But what people here are always telling young or inexperienced riders is that your learning curve is a LOT easier when you do start out on a bike that's set up for learning. No SS bike is user friendly for the beginner.
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Bored does not equal outride.
Just because you're going to get bored of a bike does not mean you have the skill to ride it. I'm bored with the acceleration of my bike, have been for a year. But I know I can't outride it yet.
You will get bored of the 250 after a month or two, but you won't be able to outride a 250 after even a year or two of hard riding.
The following are my honest thoughts and opinions. If other riders want to add to this, please do, but make sure its factual.
---------- ABOUT RIDING -----------
I feel motorcycles changed my life.
* One month after getting my first bike I drastically lost weight due to diet and exercise, because I enjoyed the bike greatly but didn’t want love handles when I bent over the tank. I have stayed skinny ever since.
* I started to ENJOY my ride to and home from work.
* I don't mind a commute to work anymore.
* My bikes have never broke down. I never question if they will start.
* A quick sprinted ride down the back roads relieves stress and clears my mind, and a non stressed person will always perform better than someone who is.
* Stock my bike, with a person of my weight will do HIGH 9’s to LOW 10’s in the quarter mile. As a boost junkie, this is extremely easy GO juice on a limited budget (opposed to car + cost of mods to get into the 10’s).
* Girls dig bikes… I don’t care what you say or think, but most of the time; bikes will get you positive attention.
* The wind around your body as you drive down the road is a wonderful feeling.
* Alternet transportation if your doing a turbo swap or other modification and the car needs to be down for a few days.
* Bike guys are generally friendly. This was a HUGE change I noticed when I changed from Cars to bikes. Car guys will always rag on your car, or constantly argue on what/who’s better or faster. Bike guys typically aren’t like that. You can usually pull up on a old or new bike and people will be friendly. It’s not WHAT you ride, it’s that you RIDE that counts. (No offense to any of you car jerks here.. roflmao )
---------- PICKING A BIKE -----------
There is one primary rule of learning that will happen to most newbie’s. You WILL drop the bike. Dropping is not the same as sliding or dumping. Dropping is typically a stupid mistake that you will make at less than 5 miles an hour. It could be in a parking lot or in your own driveway. I personally dropped my first bike twice, and the damage was minimal both times (a few nicks in the paint, and busted brake/clutch lever). Some do it while turning around, some forget to put down the kickstand, some peoples foot slips in slippery gravel dust in parking lots... whatever your curse, 9 times out of 10 you'll set the bike down at least once. With that in mind, you need to decide how expensive of a bike you want as your first. Only you can decide that.
Don’t be scared of a 600cc bike... they are very forgiving and will almost never wheelie unless you try and make them. Older 600cc are usually a lot less horsepower than newer 600cc's (zx6e is about 89hp where a newer ones are around 115hp). 5hp on a 400lbs motorcycle is dramatic and you will feel it in the butt dyno. When people tell you a 1000 or 750 is to big for a beginner, I usually agree with them. It's not that you will be crazy, or stupid, it's that the more power the bike has, the less forgiving it is. If you’re turning a corner and accidentally blip the throttle a little too much in the turn(maybe you’re just adjusting your wrist), you'll probably dump the bike. With a little more experience, you'll probably learn recovery techniques or better know your own personal limits. Sometimes beginners start with 750's, which is ok, but not without added risk. Take that advice however you see fit. Anything less than a 600, and you will be bored in a month.... I'm not joking.
---------- GOOD FIRST BIKES (typically a few years old)-----------
Resale values on bikes are typically very good after they are a few years old. If you try riding and decide you don't like it, you can usually turn around and resell the bike for close to what you paid.
Kawasaki ZX6e's... Cheapest Nice 600 you'll find. Dual exhaust and these bikes have kept the same body style for 12yrs... Parts are cheap if you ever need them. You can usually find them for $3000-$3500
Honda F4i's... These where some of the first bikes in the 600cc range to start using fuel injection. Nice looking bikes for what they are, but not a good wheelie bike due to design flaws in the plastics (they tend to crack by the headlights). You can usually find them for $3500-$4500
Yamaha R6's... Yamaha is known for being aggressive and having good looks, and built with quality parts. You can’t go wrong with one of these. I believe they started fuel injection around 2004 or 2003. You can usually find them for $4000-$6500
Suzuki GSXR 600... Suzuki's are great bikes. Some love them, some hate them. While they might not be everybody's taste, nobody will disagree that they aren't fast for the year you buy, and they have a good all around support community of GSXR addicts. These where very popular a few years back. I believe they started fuel injection around 2004 or 2003. You can usually find them for $3500-$6500
Honda 600rr's... Good stable quality built bike for a beginner. Like most Honda products, they are well built. Honda usually goes for a balance of handling and power in their overall designs. They aren't typically the fastest, but who really cares at 130+ in less than 12seconds. It's more than a newbie will typically use. These didn’t' come out until 2003, so bottom prices are typically starting around $4500 or so.
Other older and are usually a great deal 600cc starter bikes, but are getting harder to find, are the old Honda F3's and Honda F2's. If you can find them, they are usually cheaper, around $2000-$2500
I have taken the MSF course and have become very comfortable with riding. I have had some past experiences with dirt bikes and other vehicles of that nature. So why do i not want to get a 250 or a 500??? They are a waste of money.....why would i want one of those bikes when i am going to sell it in a month?? It is a joke...most of the guys on here dont even know what they are talking about.
If you are smart a lot of the 600s are good to start out on. I have a 600 now and its very fine for me. Even if you accidently hit the throttle too much through a turn its not going to be as bad as if you were on a 1000cc bike, your pretty much guarnteed to go down on a 1000. With an older 600 there is more room for forgiveness.
Do what you want but if you get a smaller bike you will be sick of it in a month.
PLEASE take the MSF course tho!!!!!!
Yeah, I'm 4 months into my 500 and still loving it. My anecdote cancels yours, I win.
Seriously though, this is terrible advice. I can't believe you posted this in the New Rider forum. What exactly makes you qualified to say 600s are good for new riders again?
Edit: Just read your nice big long "factual" post. Still more bad advice. Any real newbies who want to learn to ride properly, ignore all of at advice. Click the links in my sig for the counter-arguments.
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1000 bikes are less forgiving than 600 bikes...i am not stupid and obey every law and do everything that is necessary to keep my life safe and out of harms way.
Well, do what you gotta do...
I'll close by saying this...Why do you think the MSF uses small cc bikes to train and not a 600cc or a 1000cc superbike?...Something to think about...
The thing is, I've been riding many years, you haven't...So I probably know a little more than you...I've also seen countless friends and acquantances, not to mention the riders on the bike websites, get new bikes...
Over the years I've read countless stories about people regretting that they didn't start with a smaller cc bike...I'm yet to read one story about someone regretting that they started off on a 250/500...
And remember the racing folks...The very best motorcycle racers in the world ALL started small...
But again, you're probably smarter than them...
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Why I do not want to start small..
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