ninja 250 vs. hyosung 250?

LukeRoz · 03-05-2007, 01:19 PM

im hoping to get my first bike in the spring and am doing a ton of research on everything out there...so im pretty convinced to start on a 250 (thanks to all the experienced riders on this site who HIGHLY reccomend it).....but im having trouble deciding between the ninja250 and the hyosung250....i mean the ninja has been around forever so yea theres alot more information, parts, etc. bout it....but how bout the hyosung??...can anyone give me any advice on this....what are some of the 0-60 times, 1/4 times, and such...also are parts that hard to find on them....im already leaning towards the ninja but if anyone has any of this information on the hyosung and their opinions/thoughts i would appreciate it....thanks

mssdrider · 03-05-2007, 02:18 PM

correct me if i'm wrong guys, but from what I understand, the Hyosung is a subcompany of suzuki? Though they are a relatively unknown compared to the big 4, I haven't heard any bad things about their bikes. I can't give you any of the technical information, but just as a reminder, those technical times are done by a professional rider. My bike is suppose to do a quarter mile in the 9s, can i do it? hell no!

one thing to remember though, you 250 is going to be faster than almost any car on the road. Now to decide, the best way is to actually sit on one of each and see which one is more comfortable for you. There really isn't a good or bad decision if you're staying with a 250. Though it may not seem like much now, but its going to be your bike, so whatever you feel most comfortable with is the one for you! good luck!

TS80 · 03-05-2007, 02:30 PM

To clarify. Suzuki sourced some parts manufacturing to Hyosung. Hyosung does NOT build Suzukis. Hyosung basically machines and manufactures misc tidbits for Suzuki, couple screws here, frame covers there, some cotter pins, maybe even a few throttle tubes thrown in for good measure. No complete engines or anything like that.

However, it has been rumored that some former Suzuki engineers migrated over to Hyosung. True or not, no idea. It's just a rumor, but stranger things have happened.

dreesemonkey · 03-05-2007, 03:52 PM

I haven't yet heard anything real bad reliability wise on the hyosung, as much as I love my ninja, it's an ugly turd where as the hyosung is damn sexay.

Anthonyd5189 · 03-05-2007, 04:00 PM

Hyosung bikes?

heres a thread on this topic that was started almost 2 weeks ago.

jk750 · 03-05-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TS80

To clarify. Suzuki sourced some parts manufacturing to Hyosung. Hyosung does NOT build Suzukis. Hyosung basically machines and manufactures misc tidbits for Suzuki, couple screws here, frame covers there, some cotter pins, maybe even a few throttle tubes thrown in for good measure. No complete engines or anything like that.

However, it has been rumored that some former Suzuki engineers migrated over to Hyosung. True or not, no idea. It's just a rumor, but stranger things have happened.

+1
This is true. Hyosung is not a subsidiary of Suzuki. They are 'Global Partners', which is not uncommon in that part of the world. Hyosung contributes some two-stroke assemblies for Suzuki intended for Far East markets.

Hyosung, a South Korean company, does have an R&D facility in Hamamatsu, Japan. Corporate Suzuki's home town. The Hyosung line of motorcycles that comes to North America have no Suzuki DNA in them, and vice versa.

mssdrider · 03-05-2007, 05:15 PM

understood.

i stand corrected. hm...learning something new every day...

Maxxacceleration · 03-06-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jk750

The Hyosung line of motorcycles that comes to North America have no Suzuki DNA in them, and vice versa.

Other than the fact that the GT650 has a SV 650 based motor.
Not built by Suzuki, but Suzuki in design.
And carbureted vs FI... FYI

sidious141 · 03-06-2007, 03:22 PM

Its good to research everything dont get me wrong but considering the ninja 250

-hasnt changed in almost as many years as I am old it says somthing about its design

-everything is cheap for them and very easy to find. Kawasaki dealerships are common no matter where you are and there are plenty of places to buy from for them online

-every spring someone will be looking for a ninja 250 that you will be able to sell back at a price not much less than you bought it for

Those are a few of the things that sold me on them at least.

for performance stats check out ninja250.com

TS80 · 03-06-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxxacceleration

Other than the fact that the GT650 has a SV 650 based motor.
Not built by Suzuki, but Suzuki in design.
And carbureted vs FI... FYI

That's like saying the R6 has a CBR based motor because they're both 600 cc I-4s.

The GT650 motor and the SV650 motor are both 650cc V-twins, and that's where it ends, nothing else is really shared between the two. Even the characteristics are different. They make power at different points, put out different peak power at different RPMs, etc. The dimensions are NOT even the same.

Choco · 03-06-2007, 03:45 PM

the GT650 is a 90* twin, also used in Fischer's new bike....

not sure about the sv650...

go with the hyosung....at least it looks modern.

jk750 · 03-06-2007, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TS80

That's like saying the R6 has a CBR based motor because they're both 600 cc I-4s.

The GT650 motor and the SV650 motor are both 650cc V-twins, and that's where it ends, nothing else is really shared between the two. Even the characteristics are different. They make power at different points, put out different peak power at different RPMs, etc. The dimensions are NOT even the same.

That's right! Thank you for helping debunk the myth. They are both 90* V-twin engines. That is all they share. The Suzuki is 645cc (81.0 x 62.6 mm), and the Hyosung is 647cc (81.5 x 62.5mm).

It doesn't help that many internet sites perpetuate the falsehood by continuing to claim that the Hyosung engine is a derivative of the SV. It is not.

Maxxacceleration · 03-07-2007, 03:14 AM

While you two have not shown any facts that shows the motors are not related, I can't find any facts that say the are related...
I'll be fine in being corrected if thats the case.
BUT, I CAN show you a dyno chart of the two motors, showing very similar powerbands and with the Hyo motor making more(or earlier).
These ARE superstock tuned motors though.
Slam me with fact guys, not opinion...

RayOSV · 03-07-2007, 04:37 AM

The dyno doesn't lie and it looks like THAT GT650 puts out a little more than THAT sv650. I've seen other sv650s that put out 72-75 hp, but that's a different dyno machine and a different bike. While the motors seem to be quite similar in specs, I doubt that there are parts in common between the two. That wouldn't make sense for Suzuki.

The original question was between 250's though. Other than looks, I think Kawi has a big edge with dealer network, popularity, ability to re-sell, and aftermarket support.