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apparently things dont really change and people need to read the first few pages, even though it is over a year old.
I'm not sure if you're referring to me...
If so, I have read this thread and I agree with the OP and the general sentiment of the thread. I was going a little further on my opinion of "experience" since that seemed to be what the more recent posts were concerned with.
Experience can't easily be measured in miles or years. I have two years of street riding and a ton of miles. I was severely limited in what I experienced though. I logged a lot of time riding in typical suburban traffic, but very little on the highway, less in urban areas, and none in rural areas. Have I had many experiences? Yes. Am I an experienced rider? In one sense, partially; in most others, not at all.
The thing is, when handing out advice on the internet, you can't judge exactly where someone is at in their experience, we can only go by how long they say they've been riding, how many miles they guesstimate and the judge skill level by the stories they tell and questions they ask. It's better to assume they don't have maximum experience for the time/miles they report.
If so, I have read this thread and I agree with the OP and the general sentiment of the thread. I was going a little further on my opinion of "experience" since that seemed to be what the more recent posts were concerned with.
Experience can't easily be measured in miles or years. I have two years of street riding and a ton of miles. I was severely limited in what I experienced though. I logged a lot of time riding in typical suburban traffic, but very little on the highway, less in urban areas, and none in rural areas. Have I had many experiences? Yes. Am I an experienced rider? In one sense, partially; in most others, not at all.
If so, I have read this thread and I agree with the OP and the general sentiment of the thread. I was going a little further on my opinion of "experience" since that seemed to be what the more recent posts were concerned with.
Experience can't easily be measured in miles or years. I have two years of street riding and a ton of miles. I was severely limited in what I experienced though. I logged a lot of time riding in typical suburban traffic, but very little on the highway, less in urban areas, and none in rural areas. Have I had many experiences? Yes. Am I an experienced rider? In one sense, partially; in most others, not at all.
i didnt even read past post 1, because i felt i had read it already, then i noticed the date, and saw all the bumps.
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When i started off here i read the stickys because i frequent internet fourms and know what they are. Some others may not have the same fourm experiance. And i think everyone knows that this is a dangerous sport, and i agree that reality should not be sugar coated. However maybe proper explaniation of the risk involved is alot more effective than just stating the end result. Knowing that you can die isnt informitive, knowing what you can do to prevent that death is. That is why so many riders here, including myself push people to get proper gear, or at least a helmet/jacket/glove combo and some nice thick workboots(non steel toe).
I also didnt say to valitade the behavior, but rather to steer them away from it without lashing out at them. When i started here many of you(well not you inparticular) talked to me calmy, like i wasnt a compleate idiot. The positive feedback, and guidence without rude or inapropriate comments is what steared me to get my used Gs 500, when i could have had the used GSXR 600 that was right next to it for about 900 bucks more.
And while site recruting isnt what i had in mind, i ment it as if they stay here they can continue to learn safer habbits, info for their first track day, read others experiances on a daily basis rather than be shun the first day, go buy a liter bike, and continue down the wrong path for many years to come if they make it.
PS: I started small, just because i have a 900RR now, doesnt mean that i started with it. I learned to ride first on my 500, took my MSF course, got all my gear, got alot of street experiance including several long trips and everyday commuting experance. AND THEN i got my 900. I was agreeing with you in your first post, however you jumped to conclusion about my own riding, which is exactly what i was refering NOT to do.
And that's exactly why I have trouble listening to the guys who say "I know, I log 15k miles a year"... Sure, you put on a lot of miles, but they're highway miles.
I'd guarantee that in my 4 months and 800 miles I've seen and experienced a hell of a lot more than a lot of those guys have, because I'm commuting through a city every day. I've learned to squeeze and not grab, I've learned when and why to cover my front brake, and I've learned when and why I need to be in a lower gear and in my powerband... how? I've needed to - I have people making lefts in front of me all the time... There's a cool little maneuver up here in New England that we call the Rhode Island Roadblock - the left turner starts their turn, then stops and blocks the flow of traffic until they can finish it safely. When there's a bike in the way, though, they don't wait for the "until they can finish it safely", they just finish it.
I'm not saying that I know more than anyone here with my limited experience, but I am saying that if you say "I've been on the street for 30 years" I'm much more likely to believe you than if you say "I put on 18k miles least year, you don't know anything". It's about experiences, not miles.
The type of people who put tons of miles on ride EVERYWHERE. Someone who puts 15-20K on their bike a year doesnt just ride "big long highway trips".
I ride mostly 100 or 200 mile loops on the weekend, and commute every practical day on my bike.
MILES COUNT, the guy who puts 1000 miles a year on his bike for 15 years is nothing but a weekend warrior.
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