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Supermotos
So who all is looking at getting one. I have made up my mind that one is going in my garage in the next few months. It looks like it will be a Husky 610 if I can find on that is not a 18 hour drive. Maby one of the Texas dealers will get one before too long. So who is gona join in on all the fun.
So who all is looking at getting one. I have made up my mind that one is going in my garage in the next few months. It looks like it will be a Husky 610 if I can find on that is not a 18 hour drive. Maby one of the Texas dealers will get one before too long. So who is gona join in on all the fun.
The KTM 625s are sweet too, and there are a lot more dealers.
And I believe the Huskys are 510s or 630s.. and the 630s are 04 models
The Husky's are pretty awesome, but dealer network and general availability has alway been their downfall. The same could be said for Husaberg. Both look to be making their presence known in 2006. If you have the bucks and know where to get one, go for it. Otherwise get a KTM. I have a 625SMC, in fact, it's my second one. It kicks ass and comes completely set-up from the factory with good suspension, braided lines, etc. Your only other alternative in ready-made supermoto bikes is the Suzuki DRZ-400 which is less-than $6k, but takes some tinkering to get right and will always have a power deficit without a weight advantage.
If you are going to race, then that's a whole other can of worms...
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The KTM 625s are sweet too, and there are a lot more dealers.
And I believe the Huskys are 510s or 630s.. and the 630s are 04 models
The KTM 625 are very nice rides. Yes there are more dealers but the ones around here do not like to respond to inquires but phone or email
It could be the supermoto 610 is new this year. Here it is. I really like the blue/yellow one.
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The Husky's are pretty awesome, but dealer network and general availability has alway been their downfall. The same could be said for Husaberg. Both look to be making their presence known in 2006. If you have the bucks and know where to get one, go for it. Otherwise get a KTM. I have a 625SMC, in fact, it's my second one. It kicks ass and comes completely set-up from the factory with good suspension, braided lines, etc. Your only other alternative in ready-made supermoto bikes is the Suzuki DRZ-400 which is less-than $6k, but takes some tinkering to get right and will always have a power deficit without a weight advantage.
If you are going to race, then that's a whole other can of worms...
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I was also looking at the KTM 625 but have been told by a couple of dealers that it will be May before they get their 2006 625 and that the price is going up $1300.00 to around $8600 - $8800.00 while the Husky is around $7200 - $7400.00. The Suzuki is what started the whole supermoto thing going again. Its just that I am a big person, 6'6" and 300#, and I will wany more than lower 30's for horsepower. It can be built up for a couple of grand but that still puts it at around $8000.00. I also have access to Yamahas at a god price and could build a wr450 but it would end up costing about what the Husky is going to cost. That and the fact that the Husky is a street legal bike and is more durable than the wr as it is a race bike.
That and the fact that the Husky is a street legal bike and is more durable than the wr as it is a race bike.
You're right the Husky is street legal, plus its sweet lookin and priced ok. But how in the hell is it more durable than a WR? You say its because the 610 Husky is a race bike? The WR is a trail bike. Its made to go cross country. Therefore common sense would tell you it is engineered to take bumps, jumps, and water better than the "street legal" 610Husky which is engineered to be on the road. Yes the supermotos go over jumps but they don't go though whoops, water, and the woods.The WR is practicly same thing as a YZ450F which is a race bike last time I checked. The only differences YZ450 vs. WR450 is different gearing, Alumium frame,(2006) speedo, kickstand, and slightly detuned motor. I can honestly say, for sure, I don't know which one is more durable, but its definanlty not because one is more or less than a race bike than the other.
Plus the 610 is tuned for the street which means its not pushing as many horseys as you would think. Its detuned so it won't have melt down sitting in traffic.
If I had the money I would get one of each(WR and 610SM)
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Originally Posted by Hawker
You're right the Husky is street legal, plus its sweet lookin and priced ok. But how in the hell is it more durable than a WR? You say its because the 610 Husky is a race bike? The WR is a trail bike. Its made to go cross country. Therefore common sense would tell you it is engineered to take bumps, jumps, and water better than the "street legal" 610Husky which is engineered to be on the road. Yes the supermotos go over jumps but they don't go though whoops, water, and the woods.The WR is practicly same thing as a YZ450F which is a race bike last time I checked. The only differences YZ450 vs. WR450 is different gearing, Alumium frame,(2006) speedo, kickstand, and slightly detuned motor. I can honestly say, for sure, I don't know which one is more durable, but its definanlty not because one is more or less than a race bike than the other.
Plus the 610 is tuned for the street which means its not pushing as many horseys as you would think. Its detuned so it won't have melt down sitting in traffic.
If I had the money I would get one of each(WR and 610SM)
Not sure myself between the durability issue, but know from experience that Husky builds a darn good bike. My buddy Phil that I always mention had a few of them and they never did quit on there own, they had to be beat into submission by Phillys insane riding habits!
The first things that uasually checked out were wheels. Phil turns the best into wobbly stop signs in a matter of weeks if he rides it much.
Next on the list was rear shocks. Blowing seals and losing the oil/gas charge.
Thats the extent of the Husky destruction... now Honda XR's are another story... Phil had a XR650 Dualsport that withstood countless miles of punishment and never once faltered.
Even several hours of 2 up (Phil had my friends wife along with him, she's a 99Lb Japanese adrenaline junky that could hang on like a coat of paintLOLz) 100+ mph racing in deep sand against me on my White Bros DR440 didnt faze the beast!
The pictures are from Polihale Beach where we went nuts for nearly the whole day! The guy with his feet down in the top pic is the husband of the gal that was on the back of Phil's XR. n00b sand rider LOLz
KTM's are good bikes but I can say this about the 620's is they are like riding a paint shaker with a rock hard seat. Other than that they are fine.
When I first got my GSXR going I went to a friends house to show it to him, he wanted to ride it so I hopped on his 620 fought with that dam left side kickstarter for ever it seemed (talk about akward! it was the pre-elect start model and one of the HARDEST to start bikes I ever rode) and off we went to a long straight road by his house. (The H-3 freeway a 10 or so mile long uphill run across the Island)
I tried my best to get the 620 to keep up with my gixx... rofl but best it would do was about 105 screaming it self to death as the gixx dissapeared over the horizon and wasnt seen again until the senic look out several miles up the road! Did the same thing to it on the return trip too (downhill) and it wasn't even broken in yet!
Just a little info from the Krazy riding archives Husky, KTM hard choice. I'd say dealer friendly-ness and desire to keep ya going would be the deciding factor. Getting parts for either bike can be "iffy" where for a Japanese bike you can find parts almost anywhere...
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Originally Posted by Hawker
You're right the Husky is street legal, plus its sweet lookin and priced ok. But how in the hell is it more durable than a WR? You say its because the 610 Husky is a race bike? The WR is a trail bike. Its made to go cross country. Therefore common sense would tell you it is engineered to take bumps, jumps, and water better than the "street legal" 610Husky which is engineered to be on the road. Yes the supermotos go over jumps but they don't go though whoops, water, and the woods.The WR is practicly same thing as a YZ450F which is a race bike last time I checked. The only differences YZ450 vs. WR450 is different gearing, Alumium frame,(2006) speedo, kickstand, and slightly detuned motor. I can honestly say, for sure, I don't know which one is more durable, but its definanlty not because one is more or less than a race bike than the other.
Plus the 610 is tuned for the street which means its not pushing as many horseys as you would think. Its detuned so it won't have melt down sitting in traffic.
If I had the money I would get one of each(WR and 610SM)
I guess durable was not the word that I was really needing to use. What I meant was the Husky is a street bike while the wr is a race bike. The wr is a very fine bike but it was never designed to run errands around town in the heat of summer, sit at a stop light, or hit the back roads for several hundred miles. It will do it but will take more maintainance to do it. The Husky with the larger oil capacity, cooling fan, and other street things will be more inline with what I plan on using the bike for. What ever bike I get will spend most of its time as a street bike getting me to and from work on nice days as well as just running around town and some short trips that might see it on a dirt road every now and again. I will need to ride several different bikes to see what fits my needs best. Who knows I may still get a wr to build as my wife still works at the Yamaha dealership I used to run. Then again the Aprilia 450/550 might just be the ticket. I hope to at least sit on some Huskys, KTMs, and Aprilias this weekend at the Cycle world show.
The Husky is not "detuned", nor is it just "tuned for the road" in any way to make it weaker. That is nonsense, as the Husky 610, like the KTM LC4's, are really enduro bikes just like the WR. The damping rates are stiffer, and wheels, brakes, and a license plate are the main differences. The KTM625 and Husky610 also make more horsepower with milder tuning than the 450 race bikes, so they are again better suited for use as street bikes where you will sometimes have to cruise at a constant high speed. My stock KTM makes over 50rwhp, as will the Husky, I'm sure. The WR ain't close and it's working much harder to do it.
The WR on the other hand, just like a YZF, KXF, CRF, SMR, SX, or RMZ, will be more high strung and take a LOT more maintenance when you are piling-on the miles, which you will do if you have a license plate on it . The main reason is the limited oil capacity. Those bikes will give you extremely light weight in return, but they are also not easily licensed anywhere (though, obviously, it IS possible).
For a street bike, the KTM, Husky, and Husabergs are my favorites. The Husky has the advantage in price for 2006 as the KTM 625 and the 'Bergs are going to cost well over $8k. The blue and yellow 610 pictured looks KILLER!
As for parts, there are plenty of places that will sell you KTM parts online. KTM has improved in its supply of parts tremendoulsy in the last few years. I don't go to my dealer local KTM for anything... (sorry to those who think that's bad mojo!)
btw-Suzuki being solely responsible for "starting the whole supermoto thing up again" is highly debatable, but I absolutely applaud them for taking a chance and trying to get more riders on the right kind of bike for having FUN without having to break the sound barrier. The DRZ is nice, but seriously, it is REALLY outclassed by a slightly used European bike at the same price.
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The Husky is not "detuned", nor is it just "tuned for the road" in any way to make it weaker. That is nonsense, as the Husky 610, like the KTM LC4's, are really enduro bikes just like the WR. The damping rates are stiffer, and wheels, brakes, and a license plate are the main differences. The KTM625 and Husky610 also make more horsepower with milder tuning than the 450 race bikes, so they are again better suited for use as street bikes where you will sometimes have to cruise at a constant high speed. My stock KTM makes over 50rwhp, as will the Husky, I'm sure. The WR ain't close and it's working much harder to do it.
The WR on the other hand, just like a YZF, KXF, CRF, SMR, SX, or RMZ, will be more high strung and take a LOT more maintenance when you are piling-on the miles, which you will do if you have a license plate on it . The main reason is the limited oil capacity. Those bikes will give you extremely light weight in return, but they are also not easily licensed anywhere (though, obviously, it IS possible).
For a street bike, the KTM, Husky, and Husabergs are my favorites. The Husky has the advantage in price for 2006 as the KTM 625 and the 'Bergs are going to cost well over $8k. The blue and yellow 610 pictured looks KILLER!
As for parts, there are plenty of places that will sell you KTM parts online. KTM has improved in its supply of parts tremendoulsy in the last few years. I don't go to my dealer local KTM for anything... (sorry to those who think that's bad mojo!)
btw-Suzuki being solely responsible for "starting the whole supermoto thing up again" is highly debatable, but I absolutely applaud them for taking a chance and trying to get more riders on the right kind of bike for having FUN without having to break the sound barrier. The DRZ is nice, but seriously, it is REALLY outclassed by a slightly used European bike at the same price.
Thanks for the info. I am looking forward to seeing the Husky, KTM, and Aprilia tomorrow at the Cycle World show. The only info I can find is that Husky is not bringing in the blue/yellow one and it will take buying new plastic to get it. No biggie but it will make the Husky a little more expensive.
Husabergs from what I have read are not as good of street bike as the Husky or KTM. From what I have read they are wonderful track bikes but not built for the riggers of street duty.
Seeing the Suzuki got me interested in getting another supermoto and starting up the whole supermoto thing for me again as I had one built 3 years ago but was offered too much money for as a dirt bike to keep it. It is nice to see Suzuki step up and build a moto but it would have been nice if they just put a little more steam into it.
Is Aprilla going to have a street legal motard for the USA in 2006? I was reading about that 2 cylinder motor a while back. It sounds like it would be a great bike.
I wish Yamaha would make a street legal motard for the USA. I wish we have a 1/4 of the motards in the US as there is in Europe. I have always thought about buying a baja light kit for the TTR and put my R6 or YSR plate on it as it is very difficult to lisence a non street bike in WI.
Just got a WR400 myself. Gone from Harscrambles as a teen, to street "stunts", to Motard. I think I've found the niche ive been looking for!
Anyways, chose the WR400 cause its more reliable than the 426 and 450. Has more torque than those too also. Ive been hearing (thumpertalk.com) that the newer 400+cc 4-strokes are becomming 2-stroke like. Single ring pistons, very light pistons, and need over-hauls more often. So in hearing that, the XR-400 was the first choice, with suspension upgrades. XR650R was also a possibility. However, after much debate/research, I found the perfect bike! WR400!! I'll post pics when I'm done!
Supermotos
The WR is a trail bike. Its made to go cross country. Therefore common sense would tell you it is engineered to take bumps, jumps, and water better than the "street legal" 610Husky which is engineered to be on the road. Yes the supermotos go over jumps but they don't go though whoops, water, and the woods.The WR is practicly same thing as a YZ450F which is a race bike last time I checked. The only differences YZ450 vs. WR450 is different gearing, Alumium frame,(2006) speedo, kickstand, and slightly detuned motor. I can honestly say, for sure, I don't know which one is more durable, but its definanlty not because one is more or less than a race bike than the other. 
Dam Munky!
Husky, KTM hard choice. I'd say dealer friendly-ness and desire to keep ya going would be the deciding factor. Getting parts for either bike can be "iffy" where for a Japanese bike you can find parts almost anywhere...
