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We've had a handful of guys buying brand new 600cc bikes. One crashed this weekend and is in ICU with a crushed...everything, really. Two crashed their Gixxer 600's, both wound up with a broken wrist and nasty roadrash. My buddy/suitemate sold his ex250 after owning it for 4 months (two of which were spent in bootcamp) for an '07 R6. He's already racing cars on the interstate.
I was sitting in Admin today getting my BAH figured out, and this guy walks in and asks what he needs to get a bike. I asked him if it was his first, he said yes, so I asked him what he thought about getting. An R1!!! I informed him about the awesome power of these bikes, even how above his head he would be getting into with a 600 SS. I've read about this arguement, but I never heard it until he said he wants a bike that looks cool and one that he can grow into. I scrambled my brains trying to think of ways to explain how wrong that was, and courtesy of the forums here I pulled out the 'pilots don't learn to fly by starting in fighter jets' one. It didn't phase him. I suggested a Hyosung GT250R because it's big and sporty. Didn't want something small and whimpy, even when I told him it'll roll to highway speeds without a fuss.
After he left, the chief I was talking to, our LPO, and the CMC (COB for us sub guys) all held a quick meeting for a planned intervention. This problem is getting out of hand, and it's just not on this base. I don't want to lose any more shipmates and good friends.
Well you can always hold a safety standdown. see if you can get some apeakers to come in who have debilitating injuries from accidents, you know that whole scared straight/ informational breif. MSF course in mandatory for those guys who ride on base. but i would pitch the safety standdown aspect to you CMC and see where that goes. If they have families try to get them out to the standown also.
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Being that the MSF course is mandatory one might hope he will get a bike that is fun and matches his skill level then getting a pretty bike trying to look cool. I found out the hard way starting on an 01 F4i, more than enough power for me to handle but the deal was too good
He said he's definitely taking the MSF course first (the other guys still haven't taken theirs, they park outside the gate and get a ride in). I'm hoping he gets a better sensation of speed even a little 250 can give you before he runs off and kills himself.
Maybe the military needs to adopt a tiered riding system. It'd be a lot easier than trying to get a law passed. Some Air Force bases have, not allowing anyone to register a bike on base that's over whatever displacement if you're under 25. I'm hoping Kawasaki comes out with the newly designed 250 like someone over at Pashnit.com hinted at, people will be more receptive to a smaller bike that looks like a "real" sportbike.
Actually if they come out with that new 250 I'll be first in line to buy one, as long as they don't raise the price to nearly $4,000.
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Click on the link in my sig line, show them that. Without the proper training that could happen to them.
Problem you are having is alot of guys come back from cruise with a shitload of money they never had before and want to spend, some will go get the newest sportbike.
Click on the link in my sig line, show them that. Without the proper training that could happen to them.
Problem you are having is alot of guys come back from cruise with a shitload of money they never had before and want to spend, some will go get the newest sportbike.
+1 i'm telling you if you are in a small command have a safety brief on a friday afternoon and put this info out to everyone...
here is the link from rascus
Here on Okinawa the bases organize a really big motorcycle ride. It is to bring motorcycle awareness, and to help educate those who are thinking about buying a bike. Maybe that is something the base safety office can help you with?
If someone is at the local bike night or just talking about getting a bike. I tell them to buy something smaller like a ninja 250 and learn on it for a while then sell it and buy a bike. I try to tell them not to go out and but the newest, latest supersport.
Take it to the track, new riders will be able to learn how their bike handles in a safer environment. Like most of us know, track days offer courses for beginner riders. You can even rent out the track yourself. I have crashed several times on the track (hence my moniker:"Crash"), and have luckily walked away with some damage to bikes and a bruise or two on me. If I had been doing the same thing on the street that I was doing on the track .........I would be very broken and unhappy.
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Take it to the track, new riders will be able to learn how their bike handles in a safer environment. Like most of us know, track days offer courses for beginner riders. You can even rent out the track yourself. I have crashed several times on the track (hence my moniker:"Crash"), and have luckily walked away with some damage to bikes and a bruise or two on me. If I had been doing the same thing on the street that I was doing on the track .........I would be very broken and unhappy.
Hey, that's a good idea, a track day.
I mean, after all the MSF is done, there's only so much you can keep the leash on a rider (or any rider for that matter). Now, it's a little easier to do to us overseas folks, were someone is literally holding your hand every step of the way or generally making the entire process difficult... err, where was I..
Oh yes, track day. What if there was an organized track day or weekend put together by a group there on base? (Motorcycle Safety Unit??) (I don't think it can necessarily be Navy sponsored), but get it put together like a rec trip or something. Have sign-ups. Hopefully do a reduced cost thing, then get folks and go out and have fun in the proper environment. I mean, there's already ITT trips and sports stuff, why not a motorcycle related event?
We've had a handful of guys buying brand new 600cc bikes. One crashed this weekend and is in ICU with a crushed...everything, really. Two crashed their Gixxer 600's, both wound up with a broken wrist and nasty roadrash. My buddy/suitemate sold his ex250 after owning it for 4 months (two of which were spent in bootcamp) for an '07 R6. He's already racing cars on the interstate.
I was sitting in Admin today getting my BAH figured out, and this guy walks in and asks what he needs to get a bike. I asked him if it was his first, he said yes, so I asked him what he thought about getting. An R1!!! I informed him about the awesome power of these bikes, even how above his head he would be getting into with a 600 SS. I've read about this arguement, but I never heard it until he said he wants a bike that looks cool and one that he can grow into. I scrambled my brains trying to think of ways to explain how wrong that was, and courtesy of the forums here I pulled out the 'pilots don't learn to fly by starting in fighter jets' one. It didn't phase him. I suggested a Hyosung GT250R because it's big and sporty. Didn't want something small and whimpy, even when I told him it'll roll to highway speeds without a fuss.
After he left, the chief I was talking to, our LPO, and the CMC (COB for us sub guys) all held a quick meeting for a planned intervention. This problem is getting out of hand, and it's just not on this base. I don't want to lose any more shipmates and good friends.
What do you tell new riders?
I informed him about the awesome power of these bikes, even how above his head he would be getting into with a 600 SS. I've read about this arguement, but I never heard it until he said he wants a bike that looks cool and one that he can grow into. I scrambled my brains trying to think of ways to explain how wrong that was, and courtesy of the forums here I pulled out the 'pilots don't learn to fly by starting in fighter jets' one. It didn't phase him. I suggested a Hyosung GT250R because it's big and sporty. Didn't want something small and whimpy, even when I told him it'll roll to highway speeds without a fuss.
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