speaking of supliments..

[ImpulsePainter]

That guy got freaking jacked! He certainly didn't look 120 lbs to start though...more like 135-140.

I'm starting to make myself eat more lately, it's kind of hard to get myself out of the "eating so little" rut, but in 3 weeks I'll be going to college and eating on the meal plan, all you can eat meals, Yummy! They also got like a top 10 gym in the nation apparently. My brother has been starting to take "Testosterone boosters" even though simple combinations of vitamins do it, it's still kinda weird...not something I'd want to do.

I'm looking at different work out plans, and it looks like the only way to do it is to split up the muscle groups into different days, and work each of them twice a week. I'll look around for a beginner work out plan, but I want to stay away from the bulk then cut method as I said before. I'm really not quite convinced that me and my buddy are over doing it by being in the gym for 2 1/2 hours though, we take turns and spot each other.

I'll try to take some pics of now, vs what I'd be happy to be at.

[ty454]

Wow that link earlier made me revisit some of my threads on bodybuilding.com.

My favorite:

Ty454, 7 weeks out.... - Bodybuilding.com Forums

I had some good workout specifics in that thread.

[ZxHunteR]

Originally Posted by Ridin on chrome

without some serious supplementation thats impossible... unless it mostly fat from overeating. the average person without supplements can only gain 7- maybe 15 pounds in a year. (bodybuilding). thats according to the people that gave me the train the trainer course.

I started bodybuilding about 7 years ago. i weighed in at 150 at 5'11.
about 7 years later i am 210 5'11. which comes out to about 8.6 pounds per year.

the only supplements i ever took was protien and a energy drink..... like super charge or super pump 250..........

So in that case im calling ROIDS

whey is a supplement, but even if it wasn't that's just not true. 15 pounds? LOL. Maybe 15 pounds of dry muscle at the morgue is what they meant.

I gained over 15 pounds and lowered my body fat, then gained another 15 pounds and gained a little fat with much of the first year to spare.

[ZxHunteR]

Originally Posted by ImpulsePainter

That guy got freaking jacked! He certainly didn't look 120 lbs to start though...more like 135-140.

My brother has been starting to take "Testosterone boosters" even though simple combinations of vitamins do it, it's still kinda weird...not something I'd want to do.

I'm looking at different work out plans, and it looks like the only way to do it is to split up the muscle groups into different days, and work each of them twice a week. I'll look around for a beginner work out plan, but I want to stay away from the bulk then cut method as I said before. I'm really not quite convinced that me and my buddy are over doing it by being in the gym for 2 1/2 hours though, we take turns and spot each other.

I'll try to take some pics of now, vs what I'd be happy to be at.

That NO xplode you take is worse than test boosters...

Start out with an upper/lower workout. Then go to a 3 day split. Then 4.

Dude if you are spending 2 hours in the gym you are doing it wrong. You should be resting between ~1 minute for hypertrophy and 1.5-2 for strength. There are plenty of people that spend no more than 45 minutes in the gym and are huge. Whats the point of being in there for 2 hours? quit texting on the phone and resting 5 minutes between sets and get a watch. You are straight up wasting your time.

You dont have to bulk and cut if you only want to gain 20 lbs. That just means you will have to strictly healthy bulk. But Im trying to get it through your head that you can only work your legs and gain 20 pounds without much work. You are going to look the same in a year and a half...

Yea big people expect 120 pounders to look like holocaust victims when that is not the case at all. Those skin and bone emo kids you see are under 100 lbs.

But thats also genetics on his part. Im the same way. Ive always had a pretty decent toned upper body for someone that sat on the computer playing counterstrike my freshman year of HS. I pay for it through not having my chest grow much all. All my unimpressive body parts like legs and lats blow up but my chest doesnt do shit in terms of size.



Here is me when I was like...15 or something. I was ~115 pounds maybe less in this picture. Didnt touch a weight in my life as this was back in my 'eat donuts play bf1942 days'. Also dont mind the weights in the back. I put those on there for show LOL.

[ZxHunteR]

Originally Posted by SloppyJoseph

I agree man. That's alot of mass in one year.

If I had to guess with my life Id say he did a small amount, but it still took the same amount of work without the testosterone. I believe what he did is possible naturally with the perfect supplements and perfect diet.

Plus those poses make him look bigger than he is.

[ty454]

Originally Posted by ZxHunteR

Here is me when I was like...15 or something. I was ~115 pounds maybe less in this picture. Didnt touch a weight in my life as this was back in my 'eat donuts play bf1942 days'. Also dont mind the weights in the back. I put those on there for show LOL.

You look almost exactly like I did when I started. I also had the same problem with chest as you do. Everything else grew so fast but chest. Finally figured out what i was doing wrong and it started to grow inline with the rest. What you at now?

[ty454]

Originally Posted by ZxHunteR

If I had to guess with my life Id say he did a small amount, but it still took the same amount of work without the testosterone. I believe what he did is possible naturally with the perfect supplements and perfect diet.

Plus those poses make him look bigger than he is.

I was gonna say maybe he did based on his puffy nips but looking at his old pics it appears to be just genetic as he has them in the beginning too (too bad for him). But yeah, doing that as a natty is totally possible. I present my progress - this was all natural, in maybe 3.5 years if I recall. I was t i n y beforehand. I can't believe that's me in the before pic.

[ZxHunteR]

Originally Posted by ty454

You look almost exactly like I did when I started. I also had the same problem with chest as you do. Everything else grew so fast but chest. Finally figured out what i was doing wrong and it started to grow inline with the rest. What you at now?

I couldnt lift for like 2 months so I dont want to say until I get back to where I was

I gave up flat bench with flat flyes for slight incline, decline, and incline flyes and got good strength result on that. So what was it that made your chest grow? Tell me nao plz kthx

[SloppyJoseph]

Originally Posted by ZxHunteR

I couldnt lift for like 2 months so I dont want to say until I get back to where I was

I gave up flat bench with flat flyes for slight incline, decline, and incline flyes and got good strength result on that. So what was it that made your chest grow? Tell me nao plz kthx

I am also curious. My chest is my worst group. But i just look at it as a challenge. I've been making really nice progress dedicating chest to its own day. As I have switched workouts to 5 a day with 1 group per day and back and shoulders on friday.

My chest workout goes like this:

Flat Bench: 8x4
Incline Bench: 8x4
Decline Dumbbell: 8x4
Overhead Dumbbell Pull: 8x4
Flys: 8x4
Cable Crossovers: 8x4



I've only been on my new schedule for a 3 weeks but I've seen a noticeable difference for sure. I really like dedicating one day to a specific group. I can work it much better.

[ty454]

A while back when I was planning on competing I examined my weak groups and found them to be chest and calves. Every single other muscle group grew so fast that I knew I had awesome genetics and the fact that those two groups lagged behind couldn't be due to some predisposition.

So I noticed that for chest and calves for some reason I always did a higher number of reps on exercises - say 8 reps for bench or 12 for calves. I've always been a Max-OT guy (my first thread on bbing.com lays this all out). For back, shoulders, arms and upper legs I tend toward 4-6 reps which is inline with max-OT.

I was all fancy with chest, doing flyes and cables and presses, it was ridiculous. All I ever did for upper legs was squats and SLDs and my legs were bigger than Arnold's. So I applied that principle to chest, along with the Max-OT style. All I do now is flat bb bench and incline bb bench. I'll mix it up every couple months as to which one I do first. I picked a weight that I could do for 4-6 reps, any more than that and I threw a 2.5lber on each side. Dropping all the ponzy ancillary exercises cut down on soreness of the shoulders as well. Bench went from 225 to 275 in just over two months. Flyes are horribly tough on the shoulder complex yet the they don't provide any benefit that bench doesn't provide. The rotation of the humerus about the shoulder joint is about the same as with a bench movement so there's no additional benefit to them.

I have the worst rib cage for benching - it's small, I have narrow shoulders and long arms, along with hypermobile scapula. I used to only bring the bar down until it was about 1.5" above my chest but I forced myself to lower it all the way which meant I had to reset my weight a bit. But in no time my chest was ballooning up.

Same with calves. I was doing about 300lbs on the calf raise machine and grinding out the reps but not growing. Tried the Max-OT principle and in 3 workouts I was at 600lbs for 4-6 reps! Imagine that, calves started to grow very fast. And I do calf raises in only socks, no shoes. I feel it hits the calf better and strengthens the foot.

You can read my workouts on bbing.com but I only ever do a single muscle group per day with one exception:

1. Monday - chest
2. Tuesday - back
3. Wed - calves/shoulders
4. Thurs - arms
5. Friday - legs

It's the best way for natural athletes. Plus you can be in and out of the gym in 30 minutes.

[ZxHunteR]

Youre saying stick with 6 rep sets always? I mean I do that, but I switch it up to TRY to prevent plateaus/give my body a rest/have something new.

edit: Plus keep in mind Im not on dat dere celltech like you are.

[ty454]

Originally Posted by ZxHunteR

Youre saying stick with 6 rep sets always? I mean I do that, but I switch it up to TRY to prevent plateaus/give my body a rest/have something new.

edit: Plus keep in mind Im not on dat dere celltech like you are.

Aside from warmups I always do in the 4-6 rep range. If you're not forcing Hypertrophy then what's the point? You have to do whatever keeps you interested in going into the gym but over the years I've basically kept to the same free weight exercises for all body parts. I think mixing it up is overrated. I have my log book that goes back to 2000 and eveyr week I look at the previous week's reps and weights for a particular exercise and decide that I have to either do one more rep or get a little extra weight on each one and just keep going up. It doesn't always work out like planned and sometimes I plateau a bit, but usually just changing the order of the exercises is enough to get through that.

No cell-tech here, could never stomach the stuff. It's crap compared to the AST products. However I suspect you're trying to imply steroids without coming out just actually saying it so, no, no steroids. Yes I've been there, but that was on another level than the pics and routine I talk about now. I still did the same exercises, just more weight and more food. And a lot bigger muscles.

[ZxHunteR]

Originally Posted by ty454

No cell-tech here, could never stomach the stuff.

so you admit to taking cell tech then?

[ty454]

Originally Posted by ZxHunteR

so you admit to taking cell tech then?

Errr, am I supposed to be ashamed of it or something? I've taken just about every type of supplement over the years to see what works best. Celltech just caused bloating for me. I've had much better luck with HSC by AST.

[ZxHunteR]

Im just makin a celltech joke