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Question characteristics/pros/cons of v-twins(ex:Ducati)

I have never ridden a v-twin high-performance/sportbike, only in-lines and boxers. What are the inherent characteristics of a v-twin? The good, bad, ugly and/or possible "hidden" performance traits which take true skill to exploit. Thanks
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The good is they usually have a nice, flat torque curve; the ugly is vibration, some bikes are worse, some are hardly noticeable. If the displacement is the same, it's easier to get horsepower from an inline four as opposed to a twin. A twin will have a lower redline, and is usually heavier than an inline four. I used to have an RC51 and I miss it.

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Girls drop their panties quicker for guys that ride V-twins.

I had a 2000 SV650 and loved it. I had a 1997 TL1000S and loved it even more. I only had inline-4 bikes for about 12 years or so. Then last year I made it a point to go out and find a naked SV1000. HOT DAMN, this thing is a blast.

Twins aren't as fast, but they feel more aggressive. Hell, my Concours might be faster than my SV, but on a nice day I'd rather take out the SV.

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thanks for responses--I was a little concerned my question may have sounded arrogant or mostly academic instead of realistic. Wonder what V. Rossi would say after riding Ducati's and now with Yamaha's(unless their GP bikes are v-twins--I have no idea.) I did speak to someone who had a Ducati, and he said his SuperSport, while well planted and blistering fast, was a little slow OUT of the corners. But he did like the engine braking better than others--inline 4's/boxers/parallel twins---any thoughts or experiences on this? Really am thankful for responses.
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Just get the best of both worlds and be done with it, an I3.

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VTwins have more lower end grunt, I4s pull harder at higher RPMs.

VTwins sound better.

Otherwise, not all that much difference between 'em IMO. VTwin bikes tend to be narrower in profile also. I like both layouts, personally. Previous bike was a 2009 zx6r, current is a 2012 Ducati Streetfighter 848.

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VTwins sound better.
Subjective opinion. I personally can't stand ANY v-twin sound. Sounds like a grandma farting in a mason jar.

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Subjective opinion. I personally can't stand ANY v-twin sound. Sounds like a grandma farting in a mason jar.
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Subjective opinion. I personally can't stand ANY v-twin sound. Sounds like a grandma farting in a mason jar.
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Like I said, subjective opinion.

I'll keep my triple.

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What's not to like about this? My '03 had Micron slip-ons and would set off car alarms when I went by.

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I have owned a few v-twins and still have a first gen Aprilia Mille R. I always thought the flat torque curve and low end torque was a given, but my Ninja 1000 made more torque and HP basically everyplace compared to my Mille. So I think nowadays it's how the engine is tuned - cams, injection mapping, etc. It makes sense that an in-line 4 will ultimately be able to rev higher, so higher horsepower is possible but it's more about what target the manufacturer is shooting for nowadays.

Sound is subjective as well. My R1 is (IMHO) probably the best sounding motor I have ever owned.
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I have never ridden a v-twin high-performance/sportbike, only in-lines and boxers. What are the inherent characteristics of a v-twin? The good, bad, ugly and/or possible "hidden" performance traits which take true skill to exploit. Thanks
High performance V twin is an Oxymoron;
Oxymoron | Definition of Oxymoron by Merriam-Webster
High performance motorcycle engines have 4 cylinders. Either V or inline. Physics. Size equals power. Size plus revs equals lots of power. A twin won't rev. Reciprocating mass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_balance
L twins are not as bad as V-twins but the mass of a huge piston driving forward then backward can be felt in the corners. If the frame is tube steel with a lot of welds it can be felt a LOT.
V-4's are ok because the pistons are not pointed at the front tire.

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if I can ever get the right attachment...

My bike with no real tune and the Akraprovic Evo.......a 1290 SDR for reference. Not to mention that ONLY Ducati with its 90* architecture points a piston at the front tire, The LC8 is a 75* that is pointed no where near the front tire the front is near vertical and the rear is about 65* off center.

That is also down ~5-6hp due to altitude above sea level. We'll see what it spits out once I get an airbox and two-cylinder tune done.
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