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post #1 of 43 (permalink) Old 12-14-2012, 01:47 PM Thread Starter
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What new technology would you like to see in motorcycle racing?

Each of us has a secret list of technologies that we'd like to see in either MotoGP, WSBK, or other motorcycle racing. Hopefully development in these areas will hopefully benefit production motorcycles.

This is my list.

1. ABS and/or other form of braking assistance. This is already available on production bikes, but not allowed in MotoGP for example.

2. Suspension that adjust on the fly. Already available, but again not allowed in MotoGP. Is this allowed in WSBK?

3. Pure electrical-pneumatic valves. In other words, get rid of the cams and the associated contraptions.

4. Hybrid - electrical or mechanical energy recovery and storage system. This might be a stretch due to weight. But if I'm allowed to dream, a 200hp super sports that gets 100mpg would be nice.

5. Non Internal-Combustion engine, like gas turbine. Ok, this is even a bigger stretch. But Jay Leno has one...

6. Something to make it easier to pick up the bike. While watching MotoGP races, it is a common occurance for someone to low side, and then spend 15 seconds trying to pick up the bike, but unable to do so until corner works arrives. Saving 10-seconds here could mean a huge difference in racing. It'd also be a useful thing in production bikes. (Personal story: I can't pick up my VFR, despite using the butt-at-edge-of-seat use-leg-not-back technique.)
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1. They don't need ABS. They can brake harder than ABS allows without losing control

2. Good point

3. Cams work. Why mess with a good thing when there probably won't be any benefit?

4. They're racing. What do they care about fuel consumption?

5. Gas turbine would never work. You don't have the response time that piston engines do

6. What sort of contraption? It would just add weight, would probably be a hinderance, and the riders wouldn't want them.
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Remove all technology and let the riders race. But that is only a pipe dream

I would like to see one (1) race a year where all the bikes are 100% equal and the it is only up to the riders. Call it the pro bowl of racing.

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there's already too much tech in motogp. i'd like to see all the electronic aides taken out, except for the fuel mapping and quick shifters and stuff like that. but traction/wheelie control definitely needs to go!

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The electronically controlled pnuematic valves I would tend to think would require so much electronics and power that the motor would be noticeably slower than the air-spring setup everyone besides Ducati uses.

I believe a turbine is still considered an internal combustion motor. And if that's the case, I believe the Norton rotary is as close as we will ever see to a turbine-powered race bike. The reason for this, as I understand it, is there a pretty big lag in the throttle response with a turbine motor (both on and OFF!!!). Plus, fuel efficiency might be an issue.

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1) No. Noriyuki Haga was famous for his late-braking abilities. It won him a lot of races on bikes that may not have been the best on the track that day. The rider should make the difference, not the programmer.

2) No. Once again, the rider, not the programmer should be the difference.

3) I'll give you this one. If the factories want to do it, go for it. Yes, cams/valves work but valves float, springs break and the whole valvetrain is a parasitic drag on engine output.

4) HP (and the desired speed) takes fuel. 'Nuff said.

5) Have you ever read about Leno's turbine? He describes it as scary. The throttle takes time to spool up and then over-runs when you let off. Meaning when you release the throttle, it still accelerates.

6) You're not supposed to crash, you lose races that way. Life's not fair, deal with it (and don't crash).

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The rotary is an amazingly powerful platform but they are prone to failure. Mazda had limited success with them in Rally in the '80s. Maybe with more modern manufacturing techniques they could be made more reliable.

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Allow ALL types of motors, namely two strokes and rotary motors at competitive displacements. It makes the races boring and hinders important technological developments when the top classes are limited to specific engine specs.

As for turbine motors, no there are none that work now, but if they were legal... you never know. Someone may invent some way to make them feasible. But we will never know because of the lame rules. Heck, whole new classes of motors might be developed. Perhaps some sort of low RPM turbine more like a wankel.

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remove electronic aid and add pit stops.

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The rotary is an amazingly powerful platform but they are prone to failure. Mazda had limited success with them in Rally in the '80s. Maybe with more modern manufacturing techniques they could be made more reliable.
Actually, Mazda never had a factory rally effort with the rotary engine nor even significantly supported the few privateers that tried to race them. And without factory backing the private teams were simply not going to be winners. The Mazda factory was never interested in racing the rotary, they only ever invested in Group A (4-cylinder "regular engine" rallying). So we don't really know how good the rotary could have been, but we can't write it off and say it didn't work, either. Note that the private efforts did manage a podium finish at the Rally of the Acropolis (this was during the fearsome mega-horsepower Group B days in fact), and of course later on a Mazda Rotary won LeMans ...

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Bring back pit stops!

Bring back tire wars. Allow multiple brands

Bring back fuel wars. Allow traditional gas, race gas, alternative fuel, etc.

Bring back engine wars. Allow inline 4, inline 3, V twin.

You can have rules for all of these. Afterall, MotoGP is about prototypes. So, experiment away!
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None of the above. Scrap MotoGP, freeze moto 2 rules and stay with that.

Moto2 and has been the best quality road racing in decades. MotoGP has sucked for most of the time I have been watching. It's a wallet race.

Technology advancement does nothing for racing entertainment.
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no fucking spec tire.

further research into the advancement of the "bones" of a motorcycle, similar to ducatis efforts on the "frameless" designs.

I've always wanted to see how well a diesel engine could work in a motorcycle.

I think if the power pulses could be controlled, and the engine made to rev high enough, it could be a very interesting machine indeed. diesel engines are normally quite heavy compared to their gasoline counterparts, but there are way to engineer around that, I'm sure.

don't think we'll ever see it in motogp, if we ever see it in street bikes at all, really. but I do think it'd be cool.

hell, worked for audi and peugeot.

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Shorten races to 3 laps. This going round and round for half an hour or so bores me and is why I ain't ever watched an entire bike race.
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^3 laps? Wow how exciting would a 5 minute race be with 20 minutes of commercials before and after. That's not a new technology, and it'd kill the sport. Just watch the last three laps if it bores you so much
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