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Old 12-18-2012, 07:11 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I have never ridden an I4. I own a twin. It is fun and has more torque than hp. It is a metric 800 and just about any bike out there will eat it up. It is a Suzuki vx800 and was designed to be an all around ride. My next bike will be a liter bike. I really want a twin liter bike but those are either expensive or hard to find. So I might settle for a 4 or a triple.

My bike is an 800 but it feels more like a 600. It puts out 60hp at the crank and at the wheel it is more like 40 because I'm at 7k feet. Well, it's a fun bike but its not very fast.

My thought on twins is that they are great for cruisers. That instant torque is good. I can put it in 5th at 25 mph and pull up to 90 pretty quickly. However I feel like a 4 will make more use of the torque and will be faster and of course that is true.


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Old 12-18-2012, 07:19 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Look for an Aprilia RSVR or Tuono, equal to an RC51
I think you are insulting the Aprilia's with that statement , although if you want a proper grunty V twin get the first gen Aprilia's ie Millie's etc The latter RSVR's and the like are pretty limp wristed in the mid range.
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A cheap twin (which I love) is the Honda VTR1000. The slightly more reasonable alternative to the RVT, you could say.

Superhawk or Firestorm, depending on where you look.

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I think you are insulting the Aprilia's with that statement , although if you want a proper grunty V twin get the first gen Aprilia's ie Millie's etc The latter RSVR's and the like are pretty limp wristed in the mid range.

i was thinking the same thing... the mst expensive RC i've seen (when i was looking for one) was 5600. by my calculations, i believe that is lower than 7k. but hey, maybe obamanomics makes money count differently.
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Wow, even beat to shit RCs sell for a premium on CL here.

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RC51's in MD are up there in the $$$. I'd rather go with a TL1000R or S instead. similar quality, hp/tq for less money. mint TLR's are going for 4-5k and mint rc51's can go as high as 7k (was an 05).

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I guess you boys raggin on the RC51s should look at mssdrider's.

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I don't know about all of you, but I am still waiting for Triumph to make a fully faired liter version of the D675. That or I am just going to have to say up for a "cheap" used Euro bike.

As much as i love my 636, the need to keep the bike in the mid-high revs constantly is getting old. Much older than I thought it would.
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I don't know about all of you, but I am still waiting for Triumph to make a fully faired liter version of the D675. That or I am just going to have to say up for a "cheap" used Euro bike.

As much as i love my 636, the need to keep the bike in the mid-high revs constantly is getting old. Much older than I thought it would.
There's not enough demand to justify the enormous development costs. For someone new to break into the liter supersport scene, you have to blow everyone else away, like the s1000rr did.


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There's not enough demand to justify the enormous development costs. For someone new to break into the liter supersport scene, you have to blow everyone else away, like the s1000rr did.


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speak for yourself, that is hands down one of the ugliest bikes i've ever seen. performance numbers are great (for 2 grand more than other liters, it better be) but that bike got hit with the ugly stick more than once as a child

I don't understand the hype at all, i'm sorry. they charge more, for more performance. what am I missing?

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speak for yourself, that is hands down one of the ugliest bikes i've ever seen. performance numbers are great (for 2 grand more than other liters, it better be) but that bike got hit with the ugly stick more than once as a child

I don't understand the hype at all, i'm sorry. they charge more, for more performance. what am I missing?
I think it's ugly too.

My point was that if you are a new manufacturer to the segment, you can't come out with a bike that is 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. most people will buy the proven designs that are better.

MV came out into the middleweight scene this year with the F3. Like the Triumph, it's a 675cc 3cyl bike. But, I haven't read a review that puts it ahead of the Triumph. And for that extra cost, and limited dealer network, 90%+ of people will go with the Triumph. I don't see the F3 lasting very long.


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speak for yourself, that is hands down one of the ugliest bikes i've ever seen. performance numbers are great (for 2 grand more than other liters, it better be) but that bike got hit with the ugly stick more than once as a child

I don't understand the hype at all, i'm sorry. they charge more, for more performance. what am I missing?
No, he's speaking for the market, the literbike segment.

It blew everyone else away in performance, precisely. No need to make any hype.
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speak for yourself, that is hands down one of the ugliest bikes i've ever seen. performance numbers are great (for 2 grand more than other liters, it better be) but that bike got hit with the ugly stick more than once as a child

I don't understand the hype at all, i'm sorry. they charge more, for more performance. what am I missing?
Ride one and you'll understand. I witnessed first hand what its traction control is capable of. Last session of the day at California Superbike School and it was raining. Got spooked by a puddle of standing water at my exit mark coming out of 7a into the esses and ran onto the painted curbing at the entrance to the essees. Rear wheel spun up, got just a tad sideways, and the bike corrected itself and sent me on my merry way as planned before I even had the chance to wrongly chop throttle and highside myself into oblivion.....which I'm positive I would've done since I'd never ridden a 190 hp bike in the rain before.

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I LOVE the S1000RR!!!! Think it is absolutely gorgeous bike.

That being said, if I had to choose for the street, I'd go with Twin. For the track, it really depends on what I'm wanting. I think a twin is just, in general, easier to ride (although I don't have a ton of experience on them). I'm similar to Anorxic in this instance, that I have a problem of staying in the correct gear on my 636. But when you do it is just like a damned rocketship! I'd probably stick with the I4 for the track for racing purposes, but a twin would definitely be my go to on the street. Only reason I have the FZ6 instead of a twin is because I felt more comfortable on it. And it is geared in a way that has a good bit of low end torque so I don't worry about that aspect of things
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I know the simple answer is ride one and see for yourself, which I hope I get
the chance to do; but wondering how the acceration differences are at different speeds for the i4 vs a twin of almost the same cc.

Heard that the twins have more low end torque and the i4's have more high end torque, but how does this translate to actual riding?

The i4 will take off faster from 70 to 90+ where the twins will take off faster from the beginning, but not accelerate as fast at higher speeds?
Thats pretty much it. Everything else is just typical internet chatter and or details.

Ive went back and forth and feel like motorcycles are like women....as long as its fast loud and imported im happy. My only preference is that I want one of each.


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