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Old 11-27-2012, 10:54 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Yes you can ride on the freeway with them. God where does this pervasive notion that a 250 cannot function above 50 mph come from? Seriously.

It would be far more intelligent to purchase an older smaller bike with cash than taking on more debt.

Debt is bad.
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Yes you can ride on the freeway with them. God where does this pervasive notion that a 250 cannot function above 50 mph come from? Seriously.

It would be far more intelligent to purchase an older smaller bike with cash than taking on more debt.

Debt is bad.
Idk just asking. lol I've ridden some old 250s at the MSF course and those things hardly move.
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  1. Warranty
  2. You don't inherit other's problem's
  3. No broken tabs on the plastics
  4. subsidized financing


Still, I agree that it's better to find a good used one

A warranty on a bike is only 1 year. That's a shitty reason to get a warranty, for how much they cost (meaning the cost of a new bike even over a 1 year old one)

Easy enough to find a bike without any problems/broken tabs on the plastic. And with the money you save over buying new, you can practically rebuild the whole bike if you need to and still be ahead.

Financing is pretty much the ONLY reason.

But the idea of going into debt for a toy is something that has never made sense to me.
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I have owned a few new bikes, and will never do it again. With the money I have lost selling them after two to four years of ownership I could have bought me a new truck.

Used bikes paid for with cash is the way to go.
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After thinking it through for a while, I think I will go the 250 route and keep the Stryker for now. Better yet, I'm really loving that new Ninja 300. I have a feeling there will be people that bought it brand new and selling in a few month from now like people do on 250's...(fingers crossed by tax return). I'd probably still have to sell the Jeep but I should be able to buy one cash and re-start my sports bike career once again, but now learning how to REALLY handle a bike. Once I'm passing 600's on canyons and tracks, it'll be time again to move up a notch.

Still open to any suggestions but thanks all for all the advice!
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Sure- you get peace of mind. But with motorcycles it's SO easy to find ones that are SUPER low mileage and a few years old that have barely been ridden.

I mean- I've got a 10 year old bike with 6500 miles on it. It's practically brand new. And since I bought it, I've seen several others that are around the same mileage.

You have to watch out for bikes being stunted or dropped, and might have to replace a couple seals here and there.... but even if you don't want to do that, just buying a 2-3 year old bike will save you 5 grand or more. Goes a LONG way toward a shop checking it out for you.
Low miles on motorcycles mean nothing. I just got a project bike, a wrecked SV1000 and guess what was one of the first parts I needed? You're right, a new speedo/tachometer. $210 on E-Bay, just because I went with the more expensive 07 cluster, and a 40K miles SV now has 16K miles. Not even the DMV could catch it, as I got it from the first owner and the "latest" record they have is "003 miles", if anyone were to rebuild it in the US it could be registered with whatever the new speedometer reads.

Motorcycles are extremely easy to tear down to rebuild them as you want. I've seen so many messed up stuff on used bikes that...

I just have to tear them down myself to find out what I actually got.


Yes, there are many things you can check to avoid that kind of issue, but as I said, people that don't care for wrenching won't notice them. Go with a low miles bike, look for OEM tires, matching dates on tires and manufature date of the bike, look at the head of each bolt, how the decals were applied, correct color of plastics, wheels, frame and suspension, etc. I've seen some bikes that were perfectly repaired, really hard to figure out what had been done to them.

I know for you it doesn't make sense, but for many people it does. I got my XT660R new back in 07 and I don't plan on selling it anytime soon. This year I got my 125cc scooter, brand new, because I intend on keeping it for the long run.

The CBR? Used, and I didn't paid a premium for an inmaculate one, I went with one that was obviously wrecked and repaired, I didn't care, as it was meant to be a track bike.

Both SVs were used, the first one I checked everything myself and changed what I didn't feel comfortable with. The second SV came already torn down, rebuilding it.

The XJR1300 I'll take to the grave. Used bike, with 19 km on the clock. Had the OEM Macadam 90, with matching dates, OEM brake rotors with no wear, correct paint scheme and decals for a MY 03 bike, etc. Didn't even had to touch a wrench to make my mind, I purchased it on the spot, and it wouldn't run because the battery (OEM) was flat and the carbs gummed up.

Do you think the OP has the mechanical knowledge to buy a bike that doesn't even run? I know what I was doing, I knew exactly what I was looking for, and had that bike running a couple hours after I got a new battery.
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The 250 does well on the highway. I ride 2 up with my wife and it will do 84 mph(speedo indicated). It had absolutely no torque but, if you wind it out it will do fine. You will do a lot of shifting though to stay in the power band. 250's have excellent resale value. Buy a used one ride the hell out of it and sell it for the same price that you paid. Ours is pampered though.
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Susser-Tod is right, if you are not mechanically inclined (or bothered), sometimes it CAN be better for some people to buy new.

Having said that, what I don't think is a good idea, is putting so much debt one on top of the other, or getting a new bike when you are a relatively new rider.

Myself, I'll keep buying used. I know how to and love working on bikes, and every time I'm interested in a certain bike, I become some sort of paranoid-obsessive scholar on the particular model and its possible issues, and its particular market

Unless I had a large amount of expendable cash -and I don't see that happening any time soon-, and I was looking at a relatively rare, special model, say a Bimota DB7 or something, I wouldn't buy new.
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Oh, and yes, the 250R can rip!

One hell of a fun bike!
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Get the 11 or 12 zx6r new. In my area it's name your price on the outgoing model I' ve seen as low as 7400 bucks plus fees new. Or 8300 no fees.
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After thinking it through for a while, I think I will go the 250 route and keep the Stryker for now. Better yet, I'm really loving that new Ninja 300. I have a feeling there will be people that bought it brand new and selling in a few month from now like people do on 250's...(fingers crossed by tax return). I'd probably still have to sell the Jeep but I should be able to buy one cash and re-start my sports bike career once again, but now learning how to REALLY handle a bike. Once I'm passing 600's on canyons and tracks, it'll be time again to move up a notch.

Still open to any suggestions but thanks all for all the advice!
I think this is a great idea man. I started on a 500, then got a Z1000. Great bike. But I sold that this year because some more important things came up and I wasn't riding it (read "keeping current" on it) as much as I should have been... It was getting so that I wasn't really all that comfortable on it when I would take it out because I felt so out of practice.

Anyway, not having ridden for six months, I have the craving again. I think this time I'm gonna spring for a 250 (not necessarily a Ninja... possibly an older nighthawk). They are so light, cheap, and FUN. And you can beat the shit out of them without hitting automatically-go-to-jail speeds. Plus plunking down the cash and owning it outright without any payments is a great feeling.

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Get the 11 or 12 zx6r new. In my area it's name your price on the outgoing model I' ve seen as low as 7400 bucks plus fees new. Or 8300 no fees.
Where ever you are at I want to live there next.

For the OP, from someone who been there done that with cars, it isn't worth it. Putting yourself in more debt for a bike is meaningless unless you know your going to keep the bike longer than it will take to pay off the loan. And be real with yourself about it. Is a brand new supersport bike even worth going deeper into debt for? On top of insurance, tires, and all of the other maintenance aspects that come with supersports? I don't know how your stryker is, but I don't know if a supersport wold be an improvement in any of the above mentioned categories.

You are better off selling private party. It is about the only shot you have of making the most money for your bike. A dealer is only going to give you so much and then sell it for 3-4 grand more than they paid you for. Don't let yourself be ripped off.
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Ride a 250 before you go through with it. As an owner of both a cruiser and a 250 corner carver, the 250 is tons of fun but their shortcomings sort of come out close to a draw IMO. I enjoy them both and if I had to get rid of one it would probably be the cruiser, but on the same note I wouldn't if I were going to lose money on the deal.
Yes it turns sharp, is a lot more agile, and gets much better gas mileage... but its also a LOT slower, torque-less, and buzzy on the highway. At first it would be a fun change, but a few months later you'll be questioning if it was worth it.
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After thinking it through for a while, I think I will go the 250 route and keep the Stryker for now. Better yet, I'm really loving that new Ninja 300. I have a feeling there will be people that bought it brand new and selling in a few month from now like people do on 250's...(fingers crossed by tax return). I'd probably still have to sell the Jeep but I should be able to buy one cash and re-start my sports bike career once again, but now learning how to REALLY handle a bike. Once I'm passing 600's on canyons and tracks, it'll be time again to move up a notch.

Still open to any suggestions but thanks all for all the advice!
Get the 250, the 300 will be the new thing, in short supply and will have a huge markup. When the current 250 came out there were people selling 1 month old used ones for more than MSRP.
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