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Old 11-16-2012, 10:47 PM   #16 (permalink)
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My bike steered like a tractor when I put a bt023 on the back. I don't like those things at all
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:52 PM   #17 (permalink)
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My bike steered like a tractor when I put a bt023 on the back. I don't like those things at all
My BT 016 had about the same profile of my BT 023 after about 1000 miles. So yeah, for the first little bit, sport tires are nice and quick steering, but then they feel just like an ST tire. I just tweaked my suspension to quicken the steering with the BT023 in the rear.
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:37 PM   #18 (permalink)
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- Michelin PR2/3
- Dunlop Roadsmart II
- BT023
- Metz Z8

and the list goes on...

Excellent tires for street use but if you do track days, get a sport tire.
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I run Pilot Road 3's and they're amazing. I'm sure I'll have more stick with a pure sport tire, but I would square any soft compound tire within 2000 miles and then they'll be useless. I've done one trackday on them and they've kept well for me. I've put about 6000 miles on it now and there is a ton of tread left in them. Maybe another 6000 miles and a few track days. I have pretty much no chicken strips on them. I might try the Pirelli Angels next time. Their wet weather performance is great too.
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I got tired of changing out a sport rear tire every 3000 miles so I went with the Dunlop Q2 sport tire in front and a Dunlop Roadsmart 2 sport-touring tire in back (same construction except harder rubber in the middle, and I got 6000 miles out of the last one and it sticks like glue in the corners). I'd rather have a sticky sport tire on front cos it lasts 15,000 miles anyway. But IMO if one is a real maniac in the corners then 2 sport tires are best. I figure all the tires from major brands are state-of-the-art these days and you can't go wrong with any of them unless you can discern the slight differences on a race-track.
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I would still feel more peace of mind having the same model tire front and back. I doubt the tire manufacturers would say mixing and matching is ok. One question, though....if you need the mileage over the handling, why not just get a pair of sport touring tires rather than just the rear?
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:10 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I would still feel more peace of mind having the same model tire front and back. I doubt the tire manufacturers would say mixing and matching is ok. One question, though....if you need the mileage over the handling, why not just get a pair of sport touring tires rather than just the rear?
The basic theory runs alongs the lines of if the rear steps out slides etc you have a chance of it coming back/controlling it. With the front however it goes you'll end up lying down pretty much instantly unless you name is C.Stoner. Modern tyres have come a long way although mixing sport and sport touring tyres was what I was doing back in the late 90's. I have found that the current batch of sport touring tyres have less aggressive profiles than the sport tyres but thats ok as they suit the less aggressive geometry of my mid 90's bike.
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Dunlop Q2's are known for a more triangular profile and typically speed up the handling of most bikes
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The basic theory runs alongs the lines of if the rear steps out slides etc you have a chance of it coming back/controlling it. With the front however it goes you'll end up lying down pretty much instantly unless you name is C.Stoner. Modern tyres have come a long way although mixing sport and sport touring tyres was what I was doing back in the late 90's. I have found that the current batch of sport touring tyres have less aggressive profiles than the sport tyres but thats ok as they suit the less aggressive geometry of my mid 90's bike.
Ok, I can see the theoretical reason for the softer from tire now. Thanks for the explanation. You made me think of something very important to consider though, if someone were to mix and match.....the tread profile. Having a v-style profile on the front and a rounder profile on the back (or vice versa) could negatively impact handling, no?
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Yes it could, which is why you want to mix and match tires carefully. I wouldn't mix tires based on pictures on the internet, because you cant really compare shapes. I have no problem going to the store and looking at tires and playing mix and match. Mixing tires is not automatically a bad thing just cause the tire makers say so. Hell I've mixed and matched brands, sizes, and types of tires on several bikes to get the handling or wear performance I was looking for. It's all about how you are riding, and what type of performance you're looking to get from your tires.

Kawasaki says the Z1000 should have a 190mm wide rear tire, but I'll tell you what, it corners a fuck of a lot better with a 180. Just because a manufacturer says one thing does not make it a rule. It makes it a recommendation, or even just a suggestion.
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I think its already been mentioned, but the Best set up for performance/ longevity. Is sporttour rear with Full sport up front.

Having said that, you have to find a match that works well together. My vfr I run Ppowers up front and Road 2 rears. Its not my funnest set up, but the easiest on my pocketbook for the performance/ and Longevity.

The road 2's performance is top Line of sport tours, The Kicker though, it outlasts all of them by an easy 20%. I dont run sport tours on the front, cause they are all crap, performance wise, especially when pushing in cold and wet rain.
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I would still feel more peace of mind having the same model tire front and back. I doubt the tire manufacturers would say mixing and matching is ok. One question, though....if you need the mileage over the handling, why not just get a pair of sport touring tires rather than just the rear?
Mixing across manufacturers would concern me much more than just models within one manufacturer.

The other reason I switched to a sport-touring rear with a soft front is that I should now be able to replace both tires at the same time, where I used to get almost 2 rears to a front.
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