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Old 12-04-2012, 01:51 AM   #151 (permalink)
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Just a FYI on the testing. Both wsbk riders who had a faster time then Hayden were on the super soft qualifiers with the sole intent of being faster then the Motogp bikes. Doesn't mean anything.
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Just a FYI on the testing. Both wsbk riders who had a faster time then Hayden were on the super soft qualifiers with the sole intent of being faster then the Motogp bikes. Doesn't mean anything.
Wrong. Laverty's fastest time was with a qualifier. But both a Sykes and Laverty ran a 1.40.4 on race tires.
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Just a FYI on the testing. Both wsbk riders who had a faster time then Hayden were on the super soft qualifiers with the sole intent of being faster then the Motogp bikes. Doesn't mean anything.
we really dont know the intent. but it was testing, and on a track that WSBK does not race, so does mean nothing to everyone except furad.
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This gap shouldn't even be close. It's embarrassing. SBK bikes weigh a lot more, have lower revs, probably 30+ less hp, mufflers, stock based frames, steel brakes, and 17" wheels. And, supposedly lower caliber riders.

What we do know for certain, is that CRT bikes are vastly inferior to SBK bikes. wtf? This is MotoGP, the pinnacle of two-wheeled racing?
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This gap shouldn't even be close. It's embarrassing. SBK bikes weigh a lot more, have lower revs, probably 30+ less hp, mufflers, stock based frames, steel brakes, and 17" wheels. And, supposedly lower caliber riders.

What we do know for certain, is that CRT bikes are vastly inferior to SBK bikes. wtf? This is MotoGP, the pinnacle of two-wheeled racing?
THIS is the point we should be making, instead of mocking one or more riders. The fact is that these WSBK bikes are giving us more exciting racing, AND quite more than respectable times...what is MotoGP bringing us right now?

I won't stop watching it, but I really hope things can find some way to turn this around.
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Since when does Whoregay have any personality?
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This gap shouldn't even be close. It's embarrassing. SBK bikes weigh a lot more, have lower revs, probably 30+ less hp, mufflers, stock based frames, steel brakes, and 17" wheels. And, supposedly lower caliber riders.

What we do know for certain, is that CRT bikes are vastly inferior to SBK bikes. wtf? This is MotoGP, the pinnacle of two-wheeled racing?
I'd be willing to bet the 'stones on a cold track vs the WSBK race tires is worth at least 1, maybe 1.5 seconds. Did I read somewhere that the CRT bikes were only about 1.7 seconds faster than the WSBK bikes? The Ducati at the end of the season played down to that level at times.

We can argue this until Qatar but unless someone is willing to put them back on the same track at the same time in more reasonable temps we'll never know for sure. Like I said, apples and oranges.

In the meantime, we can hope that Ducati actually makes some improvements for the coming year (and during the year?) to get more competitive.
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Funny!! He and Pedrobot actually have shown more personality this year. I doubt either will ever be as gregarious as Rossi though.
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You can word it however you want too, the fact remains that the pos Duc was slower than 2 wsbk bikes on a day of testing.
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THIS is the point we should be making, instead of mocking one or more riders. The fact is that these WSBK bikes are giving us more exciting racing, AND quite more than respectable times...what is MotoGP bringing us right now?

I won't stop watching it, but I really hope things can find some way to turn this around.
That's exactly the point I made. Which is why I said you guys were to focused on defending Hayden.
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I'd be willing to bet the 'stones on a cold track vs the WSBK race tires is worth at least 1, maybe 1.5 seconds. Did I read somewhere that the CRT bikes were only about 1.7 seconds faster than the WSBK bikes? The Ducati at the end of the season played down to that level at times.

We can argue this until Qatar but unless someone is willing to put them back on the same track at the same time in more reasonable temps we'll never know for sure. Like I said, apples and oranges.

In the meantime, we can hope that Ducati actually makes some improvements for the coming year (and during the year?) to get more competitive.
IIRC last seasons bridgestones were redesigned to heat up very quickly. The SC1 that Sykes was on cant be worth that much time because they still have to last race distance just like the bridgestones.
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The pirellis don't operate at over 100*C


Good luck getting there on soft bridgestones in the cold

I've raced in such low temps you'd be lucky if you see 60*C on the tires. Grip drops off a lot on the race tires available to us in low temps. I can't imagine how bad the stones get.
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SBK's Aprilias are superior to CRT Aprilias. Engine limits ensure that CRT bikes are vastly down on power to their SBK equivalents.
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This gap shouldn't even be close. It's embarrassing. SBK bikes weigh a lot more, have lower revs, probably 30+ less hp, mufflers, stock based frames, steel brakes, and 17" wheels. And, supposedly lower caliber riders.

What we do know for certain, is that CRT bikes are vastly inferior to SBK bikes. wtf? This is MotoGP, the pinnacle of two-wheeled racing?
go check qualifying for Jerez this past season, Melandri would have Qalified 6th, Checa would have been 12th ahead of Rossi, Aoyama would have been 13th ahead of Rossi. so bout those inferior bikes?
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That's exactly the point I made. Which is why I said you guys were to focused on defending Hayden.
They were faster then Rossi's Qualifying last year so what does that mean? Rossi sucks?
Only 2 guys Qualified in the 1'39s"
They were only a half second off Stoner's race pace, so get some facts before you start spouting off.
http://resources.motogp.com/files/re...df?v1_d45a543d


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I'd be willing to bet the 'stones on a cold track vs the WSBK race tires is worth at least 1, maybe 1.5 seconds. Did I read somewhere that the CRT bikes were only about 1.7 seconds faster than the WSBK bikes? The Ducati at the end of the season played down to that level at times.

We can argue this until Qatar but unless someone is willing to put them back on the same track at the same time in more reasonable temps we'll never know for sure. Like I said, apples and oranges.

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Good luck getting there on soft bridgestones in the cold

I've raced in such low temps you'd be lucky if you see 60*C on the tires. Grip drops off a lot on the race tires available to us in low temps. I can't imagine how bad the stones get.
I doubt Temp had anything to do with it, Hayden went faster then his QP from last season.
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