Bmw or R1?

[kevin_stevens]

Originally Posted by LessPeople_MoreRobots

From this article:

What, you think this makes your point?!?

They put a $2,600 race exhaust, which they called "excessively loud for the street" on the bike, and picked up 6HP. Then with the reflash, which cost $450, they picked up another 4HP on top of that. In what world of insane math does 4HP, or even 10HP, equate to 20% throttle opening on a liter bike?!?

And the numbers, as usual, make yours look WILDLY slanted: $3000 for 10HP?!? That's why the magazines slammed the R1, because it was missing the 4HP it would have gained with the stock exhaust?

I've ridden AMA prepped S1000RRs. You don't see me dragging those numbers and perceptions into the conversation. It's fine that you like R1s, but you're not doing the OP any favors by Making Shit Up (tm).

KeS

[BadPlatypus]

The BMW is a way better bike.

If $$$ doesn't matter BMW all day.

I'm looking at that as my literbike when I finally step up from the 250.

[BadPlatypus]

BTW LPMR I lol'd at your comment about baiting to magazine reviews. Funny stuff!

[kevin_stevens]

Originally Posted by LessPeople_MoreRobots

What the hell is up your ass today, kev?

I'm sick of people, specifically you, Making Shit Up (tm) to try to prove their point. I don't know why it's so fucking hard to just say something that's accurate, realistic, and to the point.

I'm not the one that started quoting MSRP. Oh, thats right:

I just shared what I paid for the R1, and you called bullshit on it and quoted me MSRP for a bike 3 model years newer.

Bullshit again.

8999 for a brand new r1...
A stock S1000RR costs what, $14 or 15k base?

That's not "sharing what you paid" - that's implying that the OP can get a new bike for that, vs having to pay MSRP for a new BMW. It's not an accurate comparison. It's intellectually dishonest. It's bullshit.

Then every single number you cite is lowballed on the R1 side: throttle percentage, pricing (yes, I noticed that you backed up a $9K price with a $10K plus warranty price) - power gains. It's all bullshit - or at least so much of it is bullshit that it's not worth trying to pull out any kernel of truth from it.

My original point was, bang:buck ratio is very high on the R1. But most people would rather masturbate to magazine reviews than actually TRY a bike and make up their mind for their damn selves, and a maybe put a whopping $350 into a flash to completely transform its character.

Which people are you talking about? The OP? He just asked for input so he DIDN'T have to rely on reviews. Me? I don't care about R1s at all - why would I want to try one? Who are you ranting about? This is called a straw man argument - making up a position that nobody is espousing and beating the crap out of it. Again, intellectually dishonest.

Is the BMW a better bike? Yes.
Is a new R1 an insanely good bike at under $10k? Yes.
Does it get routinely disregarded because of magazine reviews that would be a completely different story with a $350 software mod? Yes.

Bullshit. How do you know that they would be a completely different story? Maybe they would rate the R1 differently - maybe they wouldn't. Maybe that fighting 4HP wouldn't be enough to change the relative position. Maybe if they gave every bike the opportunity to add warranty-revoking aftermarket mods, the R1 would still not win. And DAMN those magazine reviewers for quoting current year MSRP on all their bikes, instead of the local post-hurricane remainder price for just the R1!

Stop lying. Stop Making Shit Up (tm). Stop the bullshit. Stop the blustering. Can't you? Can't you just say what you like about the R1 without weaving some kind of oppressed-underdog-fairy-tale-conspiracy-nonsense story around it?

KeS

[Bird of Fire]

All you fags need to relax and drink a beer. Shit. It's a bike, not your mother.

[kevin_stevens]

Originally Posted by Bird of Fire

All you fags need to relax and drink a beer. Shit. It's a bike, not your mother.

My mom just died, you asshole! When a $350 part could have saved her!!

KeS

[Tripped1]

$8,999 for a new R1?

When in 2004? Every R1 I see is around $13,0000/

[ApriliaSL]

You should keep the sv as a street bike and get a track bike.

[nawalvicky]

If $$ is not an object deff go for the BMW. But if your looking for a good bang for the buck the R1 is deff a good contender. Id personally go for the R1 because i just like them and i dont feel like dropping 18-20k on a bike. lol.

Guys stop with the Drama SMH

[F4sSprintST]

Originally Posted by oic0

This is what the R1 has going for it.

Toce Brothers Performance 2009 Yamaha R1 T-Slash Exhaust Pipes - YouTube



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Definitely sounds much better per the youtube


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[Tripped1]

Originally Posted by nawalvicky

If $$ is not an object deff go for the BMW. But if your looking for a good bang for the buck the R1 is deff a good contender. Id personally go for the R1 because i just like them and i dont feel like dropping 18-20k on a bike. lol.

Guys stop with the Drama SMH

2013 Yamaha YZF-R1 Specifications, specs

The two are within $1000 the Beemer lists for $15,600.

Where are you guys getting the idea that you are getting a new R1 for anywhere less then $12,000 after 2006?

[Sequentialshift]

Originally Posted by LessPeople_MoreRobots

Also, maybe you should look at my list of previous bikes...

You seem very excited about that . Do you have a little feel and finger of your ring piece every time someone looks at that list?

[Akumu]

[Tony216]

Sorry guys, I mean no offense. I normally respect both your opinions, even when I disagree, but you guys reminded me of this:



BTW, I'm normally a low road kind of a guy. But I've made my way through the whole chart a time or two (hundred) (okay, thousand) (okay, okay, two hundred-thousand).

[dsmgixxer]

i think when asking whether which one to get in the first place doesnt make it a price war on mods. if you had a choice and price didnt matter why not start out with the bmw and then mod it. sure you could mod the r1 but the bmw is a better starting platform.