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Old 11-08-2012, 01:32 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Didn't take long to start with the Making Shit Up (tm). MSRP on the 2013 R1 is $14,490.
So I'm a liar? I can scan my bill of sale if you like. It was a leftover 2010 model in December of 2011. At that point, the 11's were already out, and the 12's were starting to hit dealer floors. Same way I buy all my new bikes.

If you're paying MSRP for a new sportbike, your shopping-fu is extraordinarily weak.

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And I'll need a reference to that "EPA-mandated 80% throttle", because I don't believe that either.
The US spec 09+ R1 cuts throttle inputs via the ECU. You only have 60% available between 0 and 6k rpm, and then 80% throttle available after 11,500rpm. This is pretty widely known common knowledge at this point. Go to R1-Forum and ask what's the first mod you should do on a 09+ R1. You'll get 10 responses of "ecu flash!".
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:39 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Here you go:

2011 Yamaha Yzf-R1, Lake Wales FL - 104180890 - Cycletrader.com

Brand new 2011's for $9999 easily available.
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So I'm a liar? I can scan my bill of sale if you like. It was a leftover 2010 model in December of 2011. At that point, the 11's were already out, and the 12's were starting to hit dealer floors. Same way I buy all my new bikes.

If you're paying MSRP for a new sportbike, your shopping-fu is extraordinarily weak.
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So you're comparing a discounted leftover three-year-old Yamaha to MSRP on a 2013 BMW. Like I said, Making Shit Up (tm).

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Old 11-08-2012, 01:50 PM   #19 (permalink)
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So you're comparing a discounted leftover three-year-old Yamaha to MSRP on a 2013 BMW. Like I said, Making Shit Up (tm).

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You do understand of course, with the exception of TC on the newer ones, the R1 is the same bike since 09...

Paying MSRP for a new R1 or buying a leftover identical bike for a huge discount?

Makes No Sense To Me (tm).


You say they can't be compared, but you're talking about paying 50% more for the BMW. The reason the reviews all dog the R1 is because of the power, but I'm saying that a simple mod can completely negate that issue. Yeah, the BMW still has the highest peak HP, but who cares? A) I spend a fairly small portion of my time riding a literbike around redline and B) its a significant difference in money.
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Here you go:

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Brand new 2011's for $9999 easily available.
"You must purchase the Y.E.S warranty to get this price."

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You do understand of course, with the exception of TC on the newer ones, the R1 is the same bike since 09...

Paying MSRP for a new R1 or buying a leftover identical bike for a huge discount?

Makes No Sense To Me (tm).
Because it's the only reasonable way to compare prices. You aren't even being consistent. If your smack-fu bargaining skills are so great, why don't you apply them to the BMW? What could you negotiate a 2011 S1000RR for? Why quote 2013 MSRP on one bike, and a remaindered discount on one three-year old bike on the other? It's bullshit to validate your choice. Making Shit Up (tm).

And now it's a GOOD THING that the R1 hasn't been improved in five years? That's the ADVANTAGE that you're citing? Way to flip that frown upside down.

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Because it's the only reasonable way to compare prices. You aren't even being consistent. If your smack-fu bargaining skills are so great, why don't you apply them to the BMW? What could you negotiate a 2011 S1000RR for? Why quote 2013 MSRP on one bike, and a remaindered discount on one three-year old bike on the other? It's bullshit to validate your choice. Making Shit Up (tm).

And now it's a GOOD THING that the R1 hasn't been improved in five years? That's the ADVANTAGE that you're citing? Way to flip that frown upside down.

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Sorry to jump in and go completely off topic, but how does the KTM RC8 compare to the BMW. I don't have dealers for either close to check them out, but found a KTM for sale locally.
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The KTM is well down on power and no electronics.

Now for a street bike a vtwin is a lot of fun


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The KTM is well down on power and no electronics.

Now for a street bike a vtwin is a lot of fun
And it's still a stupidly fast and capable bike.

And is by far the best looking out of the litrebikes.

I'm really considering picking one up next year (a used RC8R)
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This is what the R1 has going for it.

Toce Brothers Performance 2009 Yamaha R1 T-Slash Exhaust Pipes - YouTube



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Yamaha YZF-R1 Graves Exhaust, Power Commander V and ECUnleashed - Sport Rider Magazine

Talks about the ECU flash. Doesn't mention percentages (but support the theory).

Personally, I'd buy a BMW because it's comfy for a sportbike. That and my old 01 GSXR1000 would get spanked by either one and it was better than me. Therefore, the limitation for the BMW or R1, in my case, is the connect between the clipons and the seat.
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Because it's the only reasonable way to compare prices. You aren't even being consistent. If your smack-fu bargaining skills are so great, why don't you apply them to the BMW? What could you negotiate a 2011 S1000RR for? Why quote 2013 MSRP on one bike, and a remaindered discount on one three-year old bike on the other? It's bullshit to validate your choice. Making Shit Up (tm).
What the hell is up your ass today, kev?

I'm not the one that started quoting MSRP. Oh, thats right:

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Didn't take long to start with the Making Shit Up (tm). MSRP on the 2013 R1 is $14,490.
I just shared what I paid for the R1, and you called bullshit on it and quoted me MSRP for a bike 3 model years newer.

My original point was, bang:buck ratio is very high on the R1. But most people would rather masturbate to magazine reviews than actually TRY a bike and make up their mind for their damn selves, and a maybe put a whopping $350 into a flash to completely transform its character.

Is the BMW a better bike? Yes.
Is a new R1 an insanely good bike at under $10k? Yes.
Does it get routinely disregarded because of magazine reviews that would be a completely different story with a $350 software mod? Yes.
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And I'll need a reference to that "EPA-mandated 80% throttle", because I don't believe that either.
From this article:

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Perhaps most importantly, the stock R1 is restricted for U.S. sound regulations by limiting how far the throttle butterflies open at full throttle, and this limitation is removed with the reflash.
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Sorry to jump in and go completely off topic, but how does the KTM RC8 compare to the BMW. I don't have dealers for either close to check them out, but found a KTM for sale locally.
See that orange line of torque . Thats what makes a KTM a KTM .
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