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post #106 of 161 (permalink) Old 11-26-2012, 11:34 AM Thread Starter
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How visible is your riding gear? That's something else worth thinking about.

Anyways, this beside the point. Things could have been done differently in that situation, but there's no saying that you would have necessarily ended up any better. Just like most incidents.

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My helmet is green and black.

Idk how visible I would say it is. I thought since the bike is bright green it would be pretty visible.

What would you have done different in this situation? If you don't mind me asking.
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Spending a lot of time in a parking lot. One this max said a while back was to drag your rear brake a little and hit the front a lot. When the rear started to slide you know your about to lift your rear off the ground. It has helped me a lot.

Also just fyi be ready for people to try and kill you at least 50% of the time your riding. Thanks about normal.

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My helmet is green and black.

Idk how visible I would say it is. I thought since the bike is bright green it would be pretty visible.

What would you have done different in this situation? If you don't mind me asking.
If there was room shoot the gap between the truck and the other lane.

Wear more noticeable gear.

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It's tough to say without being there, but pretty much what I said before. SIPDE (Scan, Identify, Plan, Decide, Execute). Assume they're going to pull out and be ready for it so it doesn't surprise you. If you see someone in that turn lane as you approach...

1. Identify your options. Are there other threats? Other cars approaching? What are your escape routes? Is the road surface clear?

2. Decide on a plan. What can you do to minimize your total risk? If they pull out, where can you go and what will you do?

3. Execute. Put your plan in motion. If changing lanes isn't an option, get on the left side of your lane. Cover your brakes. Slow down a little extra. Watch the top of the front driver side tire as you approach, since the rotation there is more pronounced than the overall movement of the car. Unless they gunned it at the very last instant, nearly t-boning you, there should have been plenty of time.

If we put all of that preparation stuff aside (which is the key mistake) and focus on the immediate situation, I would have attempted an emergency stop. That's the only option if you don't know what's happening around you (and a crappy option if someone is tailgating). However, if I knew the left lane was clear and no one was close behind, I would have swerved to the far side of the left lane, straightened up, and emergency stopped.

Braking and swerving simultaneously, though, is pretty much never a good idea when you need to stop quickly.



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It's tough to say without being there, but pretty much what I said before. SIPDE (Scan, Identify, Plan, Decide, Execute).



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Thanks. that's how I am on the bike. They told us in the msf to pretend cars dont see you so assume they will pull out.

So everytime I go by an intersection I try to make eye contact with the person and cover the brake. It's just amazing how fast things happen.
Just because a driver looks straight at you doesn't mean they see you. Most of the time when a driver is looking, they are looking for other cars/trucks/mini-vans but not for motorcycles. It is like when you are looking for something, or trying to find someone or something specific in a picture. You don't really notice everything as your minid is focus are looking for something more specific.

One of the reasons why it is harped to wear bright eye catching riding gear, to ride with your hi-beams on and to also use hand-arm signals whenever possible. To draw more attention to yourself from other drivers as much as possible. Some drivers won't see you no matter what you do until they hit you, and even then some would just keep driving like they hit a speed bump.

And while I am talking about getting more attention, I don't think loud pipes saves lives. Loud pipes/exhausts piss people off and draws more attention from the cops.

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Just because a driver looks straight at you doesn't mean they see you. Most of the time when a driver is looking, they are looking for other cars/trucks/mini-vans but not for motorcycles. It is like when you are looking for something, or trying to find someone or something specific in a picture. You don't really notice everything as your minid is focus are looking for something more specific.

One of the reasons why it is harped to wear bright eye catching riding gear, to ride with your hi-beams on and to also use hand-arm signals whenever possible. To draw more attention to yourself from other drivers as much as possible. Some drivers won't see you no matter what you do until they hit you, and even then some would just keep driving like they hit a speed bump.

And while I am talking about getting more attention, I don't think loud pipes saves lives. Loud pipes/exhausts piss people off and draws more attention from the cops.
Yea I hear you. My riding gear is not bright. And my bike is quiet.
I've hear having an exhaust can help you be noticed, but so can blowing your horn I guess.

But I'm not gonna sit here and complain about the accident. I wanna get back on a bike immediately.

Can't wait to get back on.
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If you were riding faster you would have been past that stop sign before the truck ever got there. That's why u need more power, duh...
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Exhaust sound won't do a lot to help someone ahead of you aware, but it will piss off people behind you.

I love motorcycles, but damn if I'm not feeling a bit homicidal when, at 11pm, I hear a mob of bikes screaming down the highway (and nearly a mile after they've gone past). That's what I get for living near the highway, I guess. Then, there is always the "I need to rev my loud bike in a parking lot or at a stop so people think I'm awesome" douche.


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Fashion over function pride in appearance......pretty much Europe wide except the Dutch and Germans . It's why our cars bikes and women are hotter than others.
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The running joke was Elizabeth Hurley got all the attractiveness for the whole island. I'd take a German woman over an English one. Claudia Schiffer? Heidi Klum? They have far better teeth as well.


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Then, there is always the "I need to rev my loud bike in a parking lot or at a stop so people think I'm awesome" douche.


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Sadly....I've done this before in the Camaro I used to have. That was a long time ago.

now I'm afraid to ever crack the throttle open because of getting pulled over or wrecking.
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I've been doing a lot of researching. And I was reading that the Honda cbr f4i makes a good second bike. Is that accurate? I like the Ducati monster too but I've been reading that it requires a lot of maintenance.

Are these good second bikes? I don't wanna be stubborn or hard headed. I just wanna have a bike I like looking at and enjoy riding and enjoy listening to the engine note.

I read the cbr f4i is user friendly and has comfortable seating. I'm totally up for getting one of those if they are good 2nd bikes.

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I've been doing a lot of researching. And I was reading that the Honda cbr f4i makes a good second bike. Is that accurate? I like the Ducati monster too but I've been reading that it requires a lot of maintenance.

Are these good second bikes? I don't wanna be stubborn or hard headed. I just wanna have a bike I like looking at and enjoy riding and enjoy listening to the engine note.

I read the cbr f4i is user friendly and has comfortable seating. I'm totally up for getting one of those if they are good 2nd bikes.
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F4i is a great choice. I'm not too keen on Duc's though "Phil" might beg to differ being that his is really reliable. Also consider the dealer network in your area.

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Downside to recent Monsters, and Ducs overall, are the plastic fuel tanks that continually need replacement.


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