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Old 11-26-2012, 12:42 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Yeah, you had to lay her down... And sliding on its side it didn't hit the truck, which means, IT WAS THE WRONG CALL. If sliding on plastic and metal could stop it in time, you could have stopped it faster on its wheels, you wrecked in a rather noob like fashion, yet you are not willing to learn from your mistake...


You'll wreck again, hope you haven't run out of luck when it happens.

Seriously, you didn't had the skills to control a Ninja 250 in a complicated situation that was completely salvageable, and you think that your "couple thousand miles" of experience will help you do better on a less forgiving bike? The Ninja 250 already showed you how poor your skills are, it chew and spit you...
I didn't lay the bike down. The truck pulled out in front of me at the very last minute. I applied a lot of brake, and turned the bike to the left to avoid the truck. The bike flipped forward. It didnt slide. If I hadn't slammed on the breaks I would have hit the tuck. I don't know what your talking about me not willing to learn from my mistake. I've analyzed the accident numerous times. And I dot know what else I could have done. It's either stop real fast or hit a car.
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Please explain what you would do in this scenario:

You are going 35mph (speed limit 45) you are approaching the intersection , you have scanned and have made eye contact with the truck at the stop sign. You are starting to slow down because you are about to enter the freeway after this intersection and to get on the freeway there is a sharp right turn.

As you approach the intersection, the truck you already had eye contact with pulls out into YOUR lane. The truck pulls out right as you are approaching, about 10ft from you and you are traveling between 30-35mph. What do you do??
I can't Emphasize enough how close the truck was when it pulled out, it was right as I got to the intersection.
Feel free to explain what actions you would take.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:37 AM   #94 (permalink)
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What about. Honda cbr f4i ? Aren't they pretty user friendly, I've been reading a lot of positive feedback on them.
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Please explain what you would do in this scenario:

You are going 35mph (speed limit 45) you are approaching the intersection , you have scanned and have made eye contact with the truck at the stop sign. You are starting to slow down because you are about to enter the freeway after this intersection and to get on the freeway there is a sharp right turn.

As you approach the intersection, the truck you already had eye contact with pulls out into YOUR lane. The truck pulls out right as you are approaching, about 10ft from you and you are traveling between 30-35mph. What do you do??
I can't Emphasize enough how close the truck was when it pulled out, it was right as I got to the intersection.
Feel free to explain what actions you would take.
Wait so your going 35 mph to an intersection to turn onto the freeway and there is a truck at a stop sign (didn't mention which side). You come to turn into the freeway and the truck veers right (from a stop sign?), and while you are still going 30-35 mph.

So here are my questions:

1) If the truck was at a stop sign while ahead of you, how are you going through the intersection at 30-35mph? Shouldn't you have come through the same stop sign as the truck?

2) If the truck was both A) ahead of you and B) at a stop sign, then it should have been ahead of you if it decided to go towards the freeway. In any situation, you shouldn't be in any way ahead of the truck.

3) Who goes through an intersection at 30-35mph anyway? I wouldn't do that fast on a big intersection with no traffic around, let alone with other vehicles around.

Final notes: You hit your brakes too hard while going too hot into a turn. You shouldn't have gone that fast in the first place. Second thing is if you were the close bit ahead of the truck you should of out accelerated it. if you were to the side or behind than you should of veered off, into the shoulder if you had to. Also I didn't see anywhere that you honked your horn. We don't have horns on our bikes for bragging rights.
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Sorry, let me change my wording. I keep saying intersection, but it's on a highway. I was on the highway road. I had no stop sign or anything. The truck was to my right and was at a stop sign.

It's really hard to set the scene. It's not a 4 way intersection.
Basically, there's a highway, which is where I was traveling. There are roads you can turn off of the highway onto. The truck was sitting at the stop sign waiting to get onto the highway.

I usually go pretty slow around here, and i was, usually people always go around me because I'm not going fast. I can't tell you the exact speed, but I did look at the speedometer about a 1/4 mile before the accident and I was going 35.

Again, it's really hard to explain what it looks like without seeing it.

Try this. Get on google maps. Type in highway 105 and old dowlen road. This is in Beaumont tx. Then zoom in and you should be able to see the stop sign and highway.

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Even though the truck driver broke traffic laws, you allowed yourself to be in the situation. That's the major mistake.

Always be prepared for the worst. What that means in your case depends on variables that you didn't provide, like how far the truck had to travel to enter your lane. But generally cover your brakes and ease up as you approach an intersection so that you're ready. The Ninja 250 should be able to do 35-0 in ~40 feet, so it seems like you either reacted slowly or didn't brake effectively. The front tires are the best early indicator of movement.

Beyond that, it sounds like you stopped and tried to swerve at the same time. If you're at maximum braking, you have no traction left for maneuvers. That's why the MSF course teaches you to swerve and then brake.

It's easy to judge from a distance and we all make mistakes. I locked up my rear brake something awful a few weeks ago in an emergency stop. I shouldn't have been in the position to emergency stop, so poor judgement got me in trouble, and I haven't practiced emergency stops in a long whole, so I executed terribly. I was lucky to not be in real danger.


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Sorry, let me change my wording. I keep saying intersection, but it's on a highway. I was on the highway road. I had no stop sign or anything. The truck was to my right and was at a stop sign.

It's really hard to set the scene. It's not a 4 way intersection.
Basically, there's a highway, which is where I was traveling, the. There are roads you can turn off of the highway onto. The truck was sitting at the stop sign waiting to get onto the highway.

I usually go pretty slow by here, usually people always go around me because I'm not going fast. I can't tell you the exact speed, but I did look at the speedometer about a 1/4 mile before the accident and I was going 35.

Again, it's really hard to explain what it looks like without seeing it.

Try this. Get on google maps. Type in highway 105 and old dowlen road. This is in Beaumont tx. Then zoom in and you should be able to see the stop sign and highway.
If vehicles can pass you then you must have been in a two lane highway (in the same direction ). You could have gone into the left lane. I situations like that I like to stay in the left lane as much as possible, so I don't have to worry about shit like that happening. Even then I keep my eyes on other vehicles and my rpms in the middle of the powerband so if some shit does go down I can either veer off, accelerate like a bat out of hell or emergency brake.
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Even though the truck driver broke traffic laws, you allowed yourself to be in the situation. That's the major mistake.

Always be prepared for the worst. What that means in your case depends on variables that you didn't provide, like how far the truck had to travel to enter your lane. But generally cover your brakes and ease up as you approach an intersection so that you're ready. The Ninja 250 should be able to do 35-0 in ~40 feet, so it seems like you either reacted slowly or didn't brake effectively. The front tires are the best early indicator of movement.

Beyond that, it sounds like you stopped and tried to swerve at the same time. If you're at maximum braking, you have no traction left for maneuvers. That's why the MSF course teaches you to swerve and then brake.

It's easy to judge from a distance and we all make mistakes. I locked up my rear brake something awful a few weeks ago in an emergency stop. I shouldn't have been in the position to emergency stop, so poor judgement got me in trouble, and I haven't practiced emergency stops in a long whole, so I executed terribly. I was lucky to not be in real danger.


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I totally understand what you are saying. I have gotten into a habit where anytime I approach and intersection or somewhere traffic can enter I immediately cover the brake.

This all happened so fast. I wish I could watch it and review it.

I'm for sure going to practice emergency braking more.

The reason I didn't swerve and brake is because (this is happening really fast) is because it looked like the truck WAS NOT gonna stop, so I was afraid if I went around him he would run me over. It happens so fast.
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If vehicles can pass you then you must have been in a two lane highway (in the same direction ). You could have gone into the left lane. I situations like that I like to stay in the left lane as much as possible, so I don't have to worry about shit like that happening. Even then I keep my eyes on other vehicles and my rpms in the middle of the powerband so if some shit does go down I can either veer off, accelerate like a bat out of hell or emergency brake.
I totally agree about staying in the left lane. I also do that. However, in this situation, the two lane road ends right after this stop sigh, so I can't be in the left lane because right after you pass the last road, there is a double white line.

I wanted to try and go around, but it really looked like the driver wasn't gonna stop and I was afraid I'd get hit from the side.

In the future, I'm not going this way anymore, it's too dangerous. There is all kinds of stuff going on at once. And no room to move in an emergency.
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I see the intersection now. Yeah, that's pretty much a go slow, cover the brake, and stay on the left side of your lane situation. Watch the top of the front driver side tire and be prepared to shift lanes, if possible.

As much as I can, I avoid being in the right lane in situations where traffic may enter from the right. You really can't do that at that spot too much, unless both lanes are clear, so it's a bucket of caution when someone is in that turn lane.


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How visible is your riding gear? That's something else worth thinking about.

Anyways, this beside the point. Things could have been done differently in that situation, but there's no saying that you would have necessarily ended up any better. Just like most incidents.

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I see the intersection now. Yeah, that's pretty much a go slow, cover the brake, and stay on the left side of your lane situation. Watch the top of the front driver side tire and be prepared to shift lanes, if possible.

As much as I can, I avoid being in the right lane in situations where traffic may enter from the right. You really can't do that at that spot too much, unless both lanes are clear, so it's a bucket of caution when someone is in that turn lane.


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Yea for sure man. I'm not going that way on the bike anymore. It's too busy.

I am go an go down there just one time to show myself I can go trough it again.

But it's just really hard to escape in an emergency

I'm scared to slow down too much through there because in the MSF they told us never to slow down too much or you could get rear ended.

So it's kinda hard to find just the right speed, you know? Usually 25-35 is ok... I think, how fast do you think you should go in that area?

Thanks for the tips guys!
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There is a certain mindset you should always have when riding. When ever you are on your bike you must believe that everyone else on the road cannot see you at all and if they do they are intentionally trying to do harm to you. You should be paranoid of every vehicle around you because any vehicle around you can make a move that can endanger your life.
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There is a certain mindset you should always have when riding. When ever you are on your bike you must believe that everyone else on the road cannot see you at all and if they do they are intentionally trying to do harm to you. You should be paranoid of every vehicle around you because any vehicle around you can make a move that can endanger your life.
Thanks. that's how I am on the bike. They told us in the msf to pretend cars dont see you so assume they will pull out.

So everytime I go by an intersection I try to make eye contact with the person and cover the brake. It's just amazing how fast things happen.
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