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Old 11-03-2012, 10:33 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Don't shoot the messenger, was just saying they changed the name.

I'd MUCH rather have the Striple.
They didn't change the name of the SV650. They changed the name of the Gladius. This bike isn't an SV650. It's a Gladius.

Gladius = SFV650
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semantics.

SV650 = Gladius = SFV650
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Here are the major differences (besides aesthetics...)
Frame: Steel on the SFV vs. Aluminum on the SV
Motor: Nearly the same, but the SFV makes slightly more power. Here are what some of the changes were according to Motorcycle Reviews, Videos, Prices and Used Motorcycles

Cylinders receive racing-derived SCEM (Suzuki Composite Eletrochemical Material) for better heat dissipation, reduced friction, etc.

5% increase in crankshaft inertia enhances low-to-mid range output and “highlights power-pulse feel.”

Single spring per valve versus the SV650’s two springs per valve reduces inertia weight, and thereby mechanical losses.

High-lift cam for increased torque.

Throttle body intake funnels, though longer than what the SV650 used, are two different lengths for improved mid-range.

Idle Speed Control (ISC) system integrated into throttle body –first ever on any Suzuki street bike– improves idle, cold starting and eliminates additional wiring and hoses.

The same 10-hole fuel injectors used on the GSX-R600 and 750 offer better atomization of fuel mixture. Two Iridium-tip spark plugs per cylinder complete the package for more thorough, consistent combustion which in turn is claimed to lead to better economy, emissions, power, etc.

All new compact exhaust with mid-chamber is claimed to increase low and mid-range torque while different length exhaust pipes allegedly improve low-end performance; exhaust design also contributes to lower CoG.

New radiator is smaller; oil cooler is now liquid-to-liquid rather than air-cooled, and its new design helps centralize mass.

SFV has 120/70 front, SV 120/60
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I would rather spend a few more Benjamin's for speed triple. If they brought it down a few grand I'd probably get one. I don't see why everybody thinks they are so ugly, I kinda like it.
Then again I think the ninja 500 looks cool; although i would never own one...


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Old 11-04-2012, 01:05 AM   #20 (permalink)
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We still have the SV650 in Canada.

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(it's also HILARIOUS reading the SV fanboy club hating on the sfv650 LOL)
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Fucking horrible bike and with that ridiculous price, there is NO reason to ever consider getting that POS. Rode it once and was disgusted. I know 2 people that bought them and both had them sold, at a big loss, before the season was over. Suzuki is being really weird about their pricing structure. Both Models of V-strom(650-1000) are only separated by like $1400 or so. I dunno,,,bring back the SV 1k and don't make it ugly. SSSW,blacked out engine, fix the damn nose(see ,"don't make it ugly") Heated grips, ect
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Further reinforcement of Suzuki's crappy price structure.

GSX-R 600 $11,599

GSX-R 750 $12,199

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Here are the major differences (besides aesthetics...)
Frame: Steel on the SFV vs. Aluminum on the SV
Motor: Nearly the same, but the SFV makes slightly more power. Here are what some of the changes were according to Motorcycle Reviews, Videos, Prices and Used Motorcycles

Cylinders receive racing-derived SCEM (Suzuki Composite Eletrochemical Material) for better heat dissipation, reduced friction, etc.

5% increase in crankshaft inertia enhances low-to-mid range output and “highlights power-pulse feel.”

Single spring per valve versus the SV650’s two springs per valve reduces inertia weight, and thereby mechanical losses.

High-lift cam for increased torque.

Throttle body intake funnels, though longer than what the SV650 used, are two different lengths for improved mid-range.

Idle Speed Control (ISC) system integrated into throttle body –first ever on any Suzuki street bike– improves idle, cold starting and eliminates additional wiring and hoses.

The same 10-hole fuel injectors used on the GSX-R600 and 750 offer better atomization of fuel mixture. Two Iridium-tip spark plugs per cylinder complete the package for more thorough, consistent combustion which in turn is claimed to lead to better economy, emissions, power, etc.

All new compact exhaust with mid-chamber is claimed to increase low and mid-range torque while different length exhaust pipes allegedly improve low-end performance; exhaust design also contributes to lower CoG.

New radiator is smaller; oil cooler is now liquid-to-liquid rather than air-cooled, and its new design helps centralize mass.

SFV has 120/70 front, SV 120/60
In other words, a re-design of the SV-650
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In other words, a re-design of the SV-650
The thing is, is that it is not just a redesign of the SV650. They produced SV650s and Gladiuses concurrently. If it were truly a third generation SV, production of the second generation would cease when they began making the third generation.

I'm also confused at the title of your thread. If you feel that the gladius = SV650, than why would you say the SV650 is back? If you feel they are the same bike, than they never went anywhere... They just dropped the Gladius name.
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The thing is, is that it is not just a redesign of the SV650. They produced SV650s and Gladiuses concurrently. If it were truly a third generation SV, production of the second generation would cease when they began making the third generation.

I'm also confused at the title of your thread. If you feel that the gladius = SV650, than why would you say the SV650 is back? If you feel they are the same bike, than they never went anywhere... They just dropped the Gladius name.
The Gladius was meant to be the replacement of the Naked SV650.
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Further reinforcement of Suzuki's crappy price structure.

GSX-R 600 $11,599

GSX-R 750 $12,199
Those two bikes are the same thing, the 750 is just a factory bored and stroked 600 with different spring rates in the suspension and BNG. You should actually be really happy the 750 is that cheap.
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i think he's more ticked that the 600 is THAT EXPENSIVE.
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i think he's more ticked that the 600 is THAT EXPENSIVE.
All bikes went up in price. Why on earh people are expecting them to remain cheap, while demanding more and more technology is something I can't understand.

Back in the early 90s 600s had:

- Steel frames.
- Carburetors.
- Damper rod forks.
- Non adjustable rear shocks.
- Floating calipers.

The late 80s CBR 600 Hurricane was little more than a faired UJM, the Katana 600 was actually a fast bike for the time. GSX-R 600? No one even had though about it yet.

While early 90s 750s had:

- Aluminum frames.
- Cartridge forks.
- Opposite piston calipers.
- Adjustable front and rear suspensions.
- RAM air.

Now you get all of that in a 600, plus more. Heck, even a lowly SV650 could spank a 1990s FZR600 ass.

Two years ago 600s were on par featurewise with 1000cc bikes...

And while people complain about the price of 600s, they forget that literbikes went up in price too!

2002 R6, MSRP $8000
2002 R1, MSRP $10,300

Today?

2012 R6, MSRP $11,200
2012 R1, MSRP $14,000
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2002 R6, MSRP $8000
2002 R1, MSRP $10,300

Today?

2012 R6, MSRP $11,200
2012 R1, MSRP $14,000
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2012 Ducati 1199, MSRP $17,995

I this is a prime example of why people don't get the increase in the Japanese bikes. There's a lot that goes into it, but it's hard not to notice.
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i think he's more ticked that the 600 is THAT EXPENSIVE.
Not at all, I am content with my Triumph.

I was just saying Suzuki is shooting themselves in the foot, for offering a 750 for just $600 more. They will won't sell the 600s, because people will go for the 750s.
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That expensive for something with a shit frame and fucking DAMPING ROD forks? Are you fucking kidding me? USD cartridge forks are NOT much more expensive to produce. For that price you could EASILY take some parts off the shelf and fit them to the bike.

And radial calipers cost the SAME as the regular mount ones. Why not at least use THOSE?


Seriously... this thing is a fucking piece of shit. Just like the old SV's in stock trim, except uglier and a lot more expensive. I'd take a used 2004 SV650 over this ANY day of the week.
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