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Old 11-07-2012, 07:56 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Update: May be picking up a 2004 Fz6 on Saturday. Checked it out today- looked good but wouldn't start. He's gonna put the battery on a tender & we're gonna try again this weekend. Been pretty cold and he hasn't been riding often, so it makes sense. (I think)

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2004 with 6300 miles
He's the third owner & it was his first bike. Put about 1k on himself
Previous owners were all older gentlemen who kept track of reciepts, maintenance, etc, so I'm pretty confident in the care it's received.
Comes with original & touring windshield, tank bag, cover, brake lock, frame sliders, the tender, and I'm gonna try to get him to toss in his helmet.

Asking $2800. Thoughts?
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I'd rather get the facelifted (2006+) FZ6, but I think that's a very good price for the miles, if it is in good condition.

The 2006+ comes with an aluminium swingarm, better brakes and is a wee bit ligher.
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Dont let the 2nd gear failure inhibit you from a particular make or model. This is a failure of ALL sportbikes regardless of make, model or year. To be be more accurate this really isn't even a failure of the bike itself. More so a failure of the previous owner to properly shift.

This ignorance drives me nuts. Regardless of what vender specific forum you go to, you'll hear "Oh, stay away from 2*** thru 2***(insert whatever make/model here), they have the 2nd gear failure. Its either someone talking out their ass, or someone regurgitating the same old bullshit. The internet is abound with such nonsense.
It is a real issue on the YZF-600 and R6, Yamaha redesigned the transmission with a stronger 2nd gear in 2003.

Here is how to fix it:

How-to: 2nd Gear Pop out Fix... : Yamaha R6 Forum: R6MessageNet : YZF-R6 Forums

The later 2003 transmission had 5 dogs instead of just 3, some have fixed their bikes by installing 2nd gen R6 parts in the early bikes.


By the way, that FZ6 already has the revised transmission.
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I'd rather get the facelifted (2006+) FZ6, but I think that's a very good price for the miles, if it is in good condition.

The 2006+ comes with an aluminium swingarm, better brakes and is a wee bit ligher.
I found this one too...With those miles I heard its about time for a valve service though. Not sure I want to get into all that. Seems like the only real maintenance done has been oil changes & chain maintenance.

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I found this one too...With those miles I heard its about time for a valve service though. Not sure I want to get into all that. Seems like the only real maintenance done has been oil changes & chain maintenance.

2007 Yamaha FZ6 Sport Bike
Valves are a 24K thing, so they should have been already checked. The hard luggage on that bike is worth close to $1000. If it is in good condition I'd buy that one.
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As far as he knows, they have not been done yet.
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It is a real issue on the YZF-600 and R6, Yamaha redesigned the transmission with a stronger 2nd gear in 2003.

Here is how to fix it:

How-to: 2nd Gear Pop out Fix... : Yamaha R6 Forum: R6MessageNet : YZF-R6 Forums

The later 2003 transmission had 5 dogs instead of just 3, some have fixed their bikes by installing 2nd gen R6 parts in the early bikes.


By the way, that FZ6 already has the revised transmission.
I have no doubt that Yami beefed up the R6s gears to compensate for a known failure. But I still maintain that the failure is universal throughout the 4 makes. I brushed through your thread(great writeup, by the way), it seems the parts you replace- 2nd gear, 6th gear, shift drum, and the output forks, are the same parts I replaced when I bought my ZX6 with the 2nd gear failure.

Interestingly enough, there was mention on zx6e.net of the newly replaced 2nd and 6th gears being thicker then the ones that failed. I cant say if this is true or not, I dont recall comparing the old ones with the new when I replaced them.

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The fact that you can screw up any bike's transmission by having a lazy foot doesn't mean Yamaha's transmissions weren't overly prone to failure.
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As far as he knows, they have not been done yet.
Budget $300 to have them done at the dealership. You still have $7000 in hard luggage that you can use on future bikes!
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doesn't mean Yamaha's transmissions weren't overly prone to failure.
I'm not implying that. I'm simply saying they are equally prone to failure.

Put Johnnynoob1 on your 2002 R6 and johnnynoob2 on a 2002 ZX6R. Within 2 seasons, both transmissions will stand the same chance of being being fucked up. Same parts even.
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