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Everybody is walking away from the 2-strokes because there is no market for them outside of racing. Awful lot of money to spend with no return, don't you think? I think I read somewhere that it costs somewhere around $3M to field a 125 for a season. This is why DORNA is going to the Moto2 class.
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Agree with the limited market of 125cc 2 strokes outside of racing. But I think it would be great to see all of these companies supplying 125cc 2 strokes just like they do with liter bikes. But I guess until the market picks up they wont venture into that territory.
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Agree with the limited market of 125cc 2 strokes outside of racing. But I think it would be great to see all of these companies supplying 125cc 2 strokes just like they do with liter bikes. But I guess until the market picks up they wont venture into that territory.
There will never be a market for 2-strokes. The Global Warming/Eco-freaks have seen to that with emissions laws. It's gotten to the point that they are pushing weed whacker manufacturers to come up with viable 4-stroke motors to replace the 2-strokers. I fart more emissions per year than my damned weed whacker produces ferchrissakes. I can't believe we're going to destroy our atmosphere with weed whackers!
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i've heard a lot of chatter about 2-strokes having the potential to be reasonably clean-running (at least as clean as 4str, if R&D'd by some of the major manufacturers), it's just that Honda (for whatever reason) absolutely DETESTS 2-strokes and has been lobbying against them pretty much since the dawn of time...
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i've heard a lot of chatter about 2-strokes having the potential to be reasonably clean-running (at least as clean as 4str, if R&D'd by some of the major manufacturers), it's just that Honda (for whatever reason) absolutely DETESTS 2-strokes and has been lobbying against them pretty much since the dawn of time...
Several years ago I read of an Australian or New Zeeland company that had a very clean 2-stroke, but the burning of oil meant that it couldn't keep up with the tighter restrictions due in 2010.
I'm not sure why Honda would detest 2-strokes, they made some very good ones over the years. Still, the bulk of their bikes even from the beginning (except for the MX bikes) have been 4-strokes.
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Everybody is walking away from the 2-strokes because there is no market for them outside of racing. Awful lot of money to spend with no return, don't you think? I think I read somewhere that it costs somewhere around $3M to field a 125 for a season. This is why DORNA is going to the Moto2 class.
that doesnt make sense there, i thought motogp bikes were not retail based as in Prototype bikes?
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i've heard a lot of chatter about 2-strokes having the potential to be reasonably clean-running (at least as clean as 4str, if R&D'd by some of the major manufacturers), it's just that Honda (for whatever reason) absolutely DETESTS 2-strokes and has been lobbying against them pretty much since the dawn of time...
For the marine environment, there are still companies producing clean two-strokes that produce less emissions than the other companies 4 strokes. I don't know about that technology ever coming to bikes though. Everyone seems to have gotten away from two-strokers.
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that doesnt make sense there, i thought motogp bikes were not retail based as in Prototype bikes?
They're not, but the technology can still transfer. With 2-strokes not being a significant part of the streetbike market, having the top racing classes be 2-strokes just means factories pouring money into developing a dead-end technology.
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I have a 4 stroke weed eater, it has the Cub Cadet name on it, don't know who actually made it. I bought it a couple of years ago at a TSC store.
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Honda may not have detested 2-strokes, but they definitely always preferred 4-strokes. Hence, the NR500 in a sea of 2-strokes.
Honda withdrew from 500GP racing around 1969 because the new rules favored 2-strokes in that class. Even though the 2o-strokes wouldn't begin to dominate for several years. No more six cylinder 4-strokes. Honda came back to 500GP racing with the NR500 4-stroke in 1978, and soldiered on with it until it became obvious it wasn't going to be successful. Only then did Honda create their first 500cc 2-stroke GP bike, the NS500 for 1982.
Several years ago I read of an Australian or New Zeeland company that had a very clean 2-stroke, but the burning of oil meant that it couldn't keep up with the tighter restrictions due in 2010.
Some interesting links about 2 strokes...they even mention the dislike for 2 strokes at Honda. Also they mention Orbital, said australian company that is researching into cleaner, more efficient 2 strokes. Good read.
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