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General SportbikesThis area is made for sportbikes in general. Posts that dont really belong anywhere else besides here. Questions can be answered and addressed to fully understand certain aspects. If your question is Manufacturer specific please post it there.
the maximum braking of a sportbike is limited by its tendency to lift the rear wheel, not tire traction. this is why cruisers can outbrake sportbikes in a panic stop.
bull shit.
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plus, suspension plays a big big part in the back wheel staying on the ground, which most cruisers are very lacking.
Certain sport touring tires, I do consider dangerous or not ideal for agressive ride.
One of my favorite street combos on my VFR , is an original ppower front with Bt 21 rear. However the life on the Bt21 is limited so I run the Proad 2 rear, near the same performance and far better life.
Sure if running full out on a track, I'd choose something different, like a ppower 2ct and Ppower rear. But I dont need that combo on the street, as it would only eat at my pocketbook with my milege.
As far as needing the best traction to save your butt, I wouldnt trade all the spinning and bad tires in the world , to start off and never gain that experience. Traction sensitivty is a valuable asset to own, much better than any short lived tire.
I agree with the learning benefits of squirmy tires, but I've been in the saddle for long enough to know that now, it's more important to me that when I point my trusted steed toward what could be her impending doom, I've got the appropriate tires to get me successfully though the turn.
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There's alot of chip and seal roads in my area, the heat down here causes the tar beneath the rock , to sometimes reliquify and you end up with the tar over top of the rock in sections.
In cold temperatures, I've ridden these type roads, at post 90 in the rain and it can be just like riding down a Gloss painted line, you can feel the limited traction in those sections. That's on tires such as a Z6 front, Never had issue with a Ppower though under the same conditions.
But we agree tires can vary alot on their abilities
Thought for the day: There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than on Alzheimer's research. This means that by 2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.
I go through tires every 2 months, so life equals out that increased intial expense. Meaning,
if a certain tire in the same performance world is going to gain you a couple thousand mile, is it worth $40 more intial cost?
THis is where pure performance and life debate begins, but a general 1000 mile extra life is worth 30 or 40 dollar
This is why I went to PR2s on the triple. I went through three rears and refused to buy a fourth.
Without some serious track time WTF are you don't to chew up a tire in 2 months?
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Thought for the day: There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than on Alzheimer's research. This means that by 2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.
plus, suspension plays a big big part in the back wheel staying on the ground, which most cruisers are very lacking.
Actually, it's a matter of wheelbase. A long wheelbase cruiser will actually squat a bit under hard braking, and some of the higher end ones come with dual Brembos up front now.
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Can't say with personal experience, but one of my friends that i ride with on weekends had a set on his '03 R1. He was getting good mileage out of them and he didn't have them slip. He doesn't ride quite as hard as me and rides 2up quite a bit. They did start cupping out pretty bad within @ 1,800 miles and roared like a mudgrip, I could even hear them when we rode close together. he finally pulled them off at about 2,500 miles. They still had good tread and stuck good for him, but he couldn't stand the roaring and vibration he was feeling anymore. He just installed 2ct's and loves them, but knows they prob won't last near as long.
stradas are a decent tire , They do tend to cup on the front and you can hear some wallow heading into corners in that condition.
I've ran strada rears and z6 full confiq, they are basically near the same tire off the same line, the stradas are slightly softer compound, which translates into maybe 300 less miles.
But, I dont bother with them any more, cause there are much better improved options available, if your on a road 2 you'll be stepping down to a strada. on life and performance
the rode 2 rears extend me out to near 2.5 to 3 month
.....if your on a road 2 you'll be stepping down to a strada. on life and performance
the rode 2 rears extend me out to near 2.5 to 3 month
That is more or less what I was wondering. I'm pretty happy with the PR2 13,000 mile and counting.....the rear is only a little square.
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Thought for the day: There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than on Alzheimer's research. This means that by 2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.
had stradas on the fz when I brought her home always felt loose. when I had used them up i went to metz m3's only cause the local bike shop had a deal on them. now I am on my third rear and second front and have no complaints. great in the twisties, great on wet weather, and get twice the miles as my co worker who rides a r6 and runs p/powers. other than hitting a antifreeze slick yesterday I have never had a pucker moment, and the rear lacks 1/8 inch of wearing edge to edge. I have yet to drag a knee but I have no problems leaning off into the curves. I get 6-7000 on the rear and 12000 on the front.
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damn I thought thought that I rode hard. curious what is he running for the rear sprocket.
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote"
Benjamin Franklin, 1759
plus, suspension plays a big big part in the back wheel staying on the ground, which most cruisers are very lacking.
my statement was a little more general than it should have been.
what i should have said was SOME cruisers can outbrake a sportbike. i remember reading in Motorcyclist or Cycle world that the Honda DN-01 actually outbraked a 600RR in a panic stop. of course a cruiser with extremely shitty tires or brakes isn't going to stop very well, but with halfway decent tires and brakes, the lower center of gravity of a cruiser and longer wheelbase will allow it to stop quicker since it will be able to keep the rear wheel from lifting off the ground
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