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They changed the stock tires beginning in 08, most comments regarding the stock tires are about the stock dunlops on the 87-07 models.
Bigger tires will most likely make the handling worse.
i was wondering about that, the bigger tires and the handling i mean. i guess my thinkin was that with more surface area on the tires, that would equate to more surface area for grip, hence better handling. from what you said it looks like it doesnt work that way? this is the noob in me comin out, so thats why i ask.
i was wondering about that, the bigger tires and the handling i mean. i guess my thinkin was that with more surface area on the tires, that would equate to more surface area for grip, hence better handling. from what you said it looks like it doesnt work that way? this is the noob in me comin out, so thats why i ask.
when i was shopping for tires for my ex500 (replaced stock with pirelli sport demons), i was reading about how some people have stuffed bigger tires on, but then i read something along the lines of "unless you have good reason for changing tire sizes from stock, then don't". i went with stock sizes, plus they are cheaper. you cant see the tire width while riding anyways.
when i was shopping for tires for my ex500 (replaced stock with pirelli sport demons), i was reading about how some people have stuffed bigger tires on, but then i read something along the lines of "unless you have good reason for changing tire sizes from stock, then don't". i went with stock sizes, plus they are cheaper. you cant see the tire width while riding anyways.
very true, my friends that ride have told me the same thing, mostly that, as a new rider, i wont be able to tell any difference between stock tires and aftermarket ones. as i said before, basically the only reason i would think about putting bigger tires on the bike is for the cometic look. IMO i just think it would look a little better on the bike. but, obviously, if it will adversely affect the handling, ill just run on the stock tires, no big deal.
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Originally Posted by Ranast
I have been on liter sport bikes, big torque cruisers...but nothing compares to the thrust these damn things hit you with. It will put a huge shit eating grin on your face. If you are going to grab the throttle, just make sure you have a whole lot of empty road ahead of you...feels like God placed his boot on the tail end of the bike and shoved you forward - really, really hard!
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Originally Posted by isaac
I'd say 99% of the preride inspection should be about your skills from somebody who isn't stupid enough to get you killed. But if you really wanna check the chain tension before you go catapulting into a phone pole, have at it.
I think if its going to give you extra confidence upgrading to better tires even though the stock ones are perfectly fine for the road then go for it, you don't lose anything but gain extra confidence. On my 250 I rode on the stock shinkos for about 5 months before i changed them for diablos (also went a size bigger as i didn't like the skinny look of the stocks). The difference was simply unbelievable. I got them fitted and hit the twisties the next day, it was as if the handling had completely changed, the bike felt like it was on rails and so much smoother and planted I felt I could ride considerably faster yet safer at the same time. Then again I've heard the OEM shinko tires on hyosung 250s are of inferior quality to the same tires that are sold aftermarket.
thats really funny u brought up the larger tire thing, because i was actually thinking about that to, i have seen the same thing, a guy put a 150 ont he back and a 130 on the front of his 08 250. the only reason i would like to do the larger tires is, IMO, i think it would look a little better than the 110/130 combo i have on there now.
i hear what ur sayin about the tires to, i have heard a lot of people say now that the tires on the bike are fine, and that i have no reason to change em. i guess its all in the eye of the beholder.
A 130/17 on the front on a Ninja 250? Are they kidding?
That is plain ridiculous. A 120/17maybe and that is still overkill on that bike as is a 150 on the rear,but I could see doing that AFTER the stock rubber is used up(unless it a old model 250 with junk ass Dunlops).
Many more powerful and much heavier bikes wouldn't benefit from a change like that let alone a Ninja 250!
Putting a 130on front,if it will even fit properly could make it handle WORSE than stock,but surely not any BETTER all things being equal. With the stock rim width they probably aren't getting any more contact patch than stock,unless they run it at a lower air pressure. That sets up a whole new problem in itself.
They are somehow equating grip with tire size. Sometimes that's not how it works,especially with motorcycles. A tire grips not only by the softness of the compound,but also by the weight/pressure/forces/power pulses of the machine etc.,etc..
Just like a light weight car with big ass tires on it you are spreading the vehicles weight over a much larger surface/contact area. If your tire compound is super soft/sticky you may get away with it(in dry conditions). Most time people find out they have LESS grip/feel on the street if they go too crazy with tire width. The tread has to deform(grip/bite) the road to work properly. If it's not doing that,then you over-tired the vehicle in terms of tire width in the conditions in which it has to perform.
Last edited by coolatula : 11-19-2008 at 08:39 AM.
The stock tires on my 07 scare the shit out me. I have zero confidence!
see, thats the sentiment i was hearing a little while ago, that some people had no confidence with thier tires. like i said before, i guess its in the eye of the beholder, i've never really had any issues with my tires, i was just wondering if anyone else had heard or had any problems/issues with the stock tires. thats wierd that u have so little confidence with yours though, any reason?
I think if its going to give you extra confidence upgrading to better tires even though the stock ones are perfectly fine for the road then go for it, you don't lose anything but gain extra confidence. On my 250 I rode on the stock shinkos for about 5 months before i changed them for diablos (also went a size bigger as i didn't like the skinny look of the stocks). The difference was simply unbelievable. I got them fitted and hit the twisties the next day, it was as if the handling had completely changed, the bike felt like it was on rails and so much smoother and planted I felt I could ride considerably faster yet safer at the same time. Then again I've heard the OEM shinko tires on hyosung 250s are of inferior quality to the same tires that are sold aftermarket.
now thats the answer i was looking for haha
what size did you put on yours? even though for me it might not make any noticeable difference, i guess just the mental aspect of me knowing i got bigger tires would make a difference.
A 130/17 on the front on a Ninja 250? Are they kidding?
That is plain ridiculous. A 120/17maybe and that is still overkill on that bike as is a 150 on the rear,but I could see doing that AFTER the stock rubber is used up(unless it a old model 250 with junk ass Dunlops).
Many more powerful and much heavier bikes wouldn't benefit from a change like that let alone a Ninja 250!
Putting a 130on front,if it will even fit properly could make it handle WORSE than stock,but surely not any BETTER all things being equal. With the stock rim width they probably aren't getting any more contact patch than stock,unless they run it at a lower air pressure. That sets up a whole new problem in itself.
They are somehow equating grip with tire size. Sometimes that's not how it works,especially with motorcycles. A tire grips not only by the softness of the compound,but also by the weight/pressure/forces/power pulses of the machine etc.,etc..
Just like a light weight car with big ass tires on it you are spreading the vehicles weight over a much larger surface/contact area. If your tire compound is super soft/sticky you may get away with it(in dry conditions). Most time people find out they have LESS grip/feel on the street if they go too crazy with tire width. The tread has to deform(grip/bite) the road to work properly. If it's not doing that,then you over-tired the vehicle in terms of tire width in the conditions in which it has to perform.
yea, i was just under the wrong impression that bigger tires= bigger surface/grip area=better handling. what your saying about tire compound, wieght and all the other variables makes a lot of sense, thanks for the info
Oh come on night.....while the stock tires aren't "bad" but they are from ideal. Sport demons are way better, warm up faster, stick far better, and if size is an issue the rear is slightly bigger than the stock but are by far the best fir for the 250
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I didn't say they were up and down better than Pirelli, just said they were definatly trustworthy. As a new rider you don't really need a sticky sport tire. Hell I just replaced my tires with Bridgestone BT45's front and back which are sport-touring and they should last me well over 11,000 - 12,000 miles. Bought and installed and balanced for under $110 each, can't beat that. The BT45 is a better tire for a commuter who likes to ride some corners on the weekend, they more attune to wet weather conditions and such.
I do however prefer Bridgestone over Pirelli or any other tire.
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