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The 800's are putting out something between 210-230 hp. What do you think the Moto GP Manfacturers and Teams will squeeze out of the 600cc class.

I'm making the assumption that the GP bikes will be more advanced then the World Supersport bikes.
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you could always do 230/800 x 600 = 172
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you could always do 230/800 x 600 = 172
That would be great!! A 600cc motogp bike that puts out 172HP that will totally kill the litre street bike both drag strip and twisties. I hope that tecchnology trickle downs to the consumer!!.
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It will probably weight no more than 300 lbs too. The 800's min weight is 325 lbs. 172 HP on a feather-wieght 600cc bikes is just rediculous.
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Wowzers. Then a 1340 cc would be like 300+?
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600cc MotoGP? It will never happen, keep dreaming. Rumors are, the MotoGP boss's are thinking about going back to 990cc, because the 800cc bikes are hitting the same top speed as the old bikes. The reason they went down to 800cc, is because they were worried if someone would crash in a turn, they would get seriously hurt. But now the 800cc are going even faster than the 990cc bikes in the turns.
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It's already happening...the 250's will now be running 600's..Not sure when it's starting.but it's a done deal..
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That would be great!! A 600cc motogp bike that puts out 172HP that will totally kill the litre street bike both drag strip and twisties. I hope that tecchnology trickle downs to the consumer!!.
Well, yes and no. First, they will be race engines, and street versions will be so detuned for longevity, perhaps a more fair comparison would be like a 750 engine, still badass.

However, the way they make power, the torque curve will be like the R6, nothin, nothin, nothin, till you hit 12k rpm then BAM.

The good thing displacement has going for it is you start to make power way down low at 3-4k.

Me, I'd hate to ride a totally peaky bike on the street.
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Straight from MGP.com
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Grand Prix Commission provide update on 600cc class plans
Saturday, 27 September 2008

Following a Grand Prix Commission meeting at Motegi on Saturday the FIM have announced some changes to the Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Regulations.

The Grand Prix Commission, composed of Messrs. Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna, Chairman), Claude Danis (FIM), Herve Poncharal (IRTA) and Takanao Tsubouchi (MSMA), in the presence of Mr. Paul Butler (Secretary of the meeting), in a meeting held today at the A-Style Grand Prix of Japan, unanimously decided to introduce the following changes to the FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Regulations.

125cc class - Teams may present only one motorcycle per rider in the 125cc class for Technical Control (as from 1.1.2009).

Future of the 250cc class - MSMA decided unanimously to propose to the Grand Prix Commission the following as from 2011: 4-stroke, 4-cylinder maximum, 600cc maximum engines, free chassis. A detailed proposal will be studied by the other members of the Commission.

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There's no way moto gp will go back to 990cc. Can you imagine how fast they could make those 990cc bikes go with today's technology? The 800's are within 10 HP of what the 990 were running 3 years ago.

For Dorna/FIM doing to slow down the bike they would have to limit tire advancement, introduce a spec traction control, HP limitation, less fuel, and more weight. As it stands now, with only a weight limitation and engine configuration, the teams are going to continue to make the bikes faster and faster. That's the only way to win.

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Just ban traction control already. I could care less what size the engine is, 800, 600, 990. The only thing that I question is the fact that the 600cc motors are not that far off in size to the 800's, I would think a bump back up to 990 would make sense simply so there was more of a differences in classes.

As long as the best riders in the world are on the bikes, it will still be entertaining. One thing I can't get over is how much better and more competative the racing is in WSB this year. I know they are running traction control as well, but it sure doesn't seem to restrict the aggressive riding that everyone displays.
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I read somewhere that the 600's may not be completely wide-open like the 800's. Until they release the rulebook I guess we won't know for sure.
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600cc MotoGP? It will never happen, keep dreaming. Rumors are, the MotoGP boss's are thinking about going back to 990cc, because the 800cc bikes are hitting the same top speed as the old bikes. The reason they went down to 800cc, is because they were worried if someone would crash in a turn, they would get seriously hurt. But now the 800cc are going even faster than the 990cc bikes in the turns.

Now that's some backwards thinking.

Lowering the cc for saftey reasons and when its not as safe any more you raise cc back up to have the opposite effect?
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Now that's some backwards thinking.

Lowering the cc for saftey reasons and when its not as safe any more you raise cc back up to have the opposite effect?
Yea, it's weird. They said the 800's doesn't have the torque the 990's did. So when a riders get into trouble in a turn, they can't just spin the rear, and let back in control. There is nothing they can do about it on the 800's they were saying. So... the 990's are safer than the 800's.
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