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I've never bottomed mine out, should I soften it up?
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Set the sag properly. You don't want the suspension to bottom.
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if the suspension doesn't bottom on the biggest bumps you're hitting you are not using all the possible travel and loosing some low speed pickup that otherwise would be soaked up better. there is a 2" or so rubber bumper on the shock shaft, that's what it is there for. the springs are there for holding up the weight, not controlling how it rides, that's what all the valving inside does. ideally you want to be using all of the available travel for the surface that you are riding on and keeping both wheels on the ground.
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Sure, but when you bottom your suspension your tire compresses to take up any left over energy. Your shock can't control the rebound of your tire which can mean less control when you may most need it. If you have your sag set properly, assuming you have the right springs, your suspension will work near it's best. Racers still need to tweak settings from there, but they are running under the most extreme conditions.
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This has lots of good suspension info:

Motorcycle Suspension Tuning, Sport Bike Suspension Settings & Setup at Sport Rider

Some of the links seem to be broken, but sportrider.com has lots of good tech articles including suspension setup.
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if the suspension doesn't bottom on the biggest bumps you're hitting you are not using all the possible travel and loosing some low speed pickup that otherwise would be soaked up better. there is a 2" or so rubber bumper on the shock shaft, that's what it is there for. the springs are there for holding up the weight, not controlling how it rides, that's what all the valving inside does. ideally you want to be using all of the available travel for the surface that you are riding on and keeping both wheels on the ground.
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if the suspension doesn't bottom on the biggest bumps you're hitting you are not using all the possible travel and loosing some low speed pickup that otherwise would be soaked up better. there is a 2" or so rubber bumper on the shock shaft, that's what it is there for. the springs are there for holding up the weight, not controlling how it rides, that's what all the valving inside does. ideally you want to be using all of the available travel for the surface that you are riding on and keeping both wheels on the ground.



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you don't want the suspension to "bottom" almost bottom yes. but never all the way.

ask any suspension shop. if it bottoms you are left with none and the tire absorbs the rest. in a lean, it bottoms now you're fucked and are most likely going to lowside if the tire gets over loaded.
that rubber bumper is there to keep the shock from being damaged from bottoming.

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From street experience, if my rear suspension is too soft, the bike doesn't feel right when in a turn hitting some dips/bumps.

When I feel the above, I notch the rear on level tighter, and the handling, FOR ME, feels where better in the above twists.

OP, I've not bottomed street suspension, but I do assist suspension with weight on pegs when necessary.

Also, ride only twisties these days.
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No, you don't want it bottoming all the time, but if not once in a while on the biggest dips/bumps you are not utilizing the suspension fully.

This is pretty basic. Put a zip tie around a leg and go riding. See where it's at when you're done.
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I've never bottomed mine out, should I soften it up?
unfortunately, i feel that suspension is WAY WAY more complicated to set up than that. i highly recommend taking it somewhere where a competent technician can properly set up the sag and initial settings for you. when i went to my first track day, i had a place called turn one racing do this for me. it was relatively inexpensive (like $45 or so) and made a WORLD of difference. it requires you to be on your bike with your gear while they set it all up for you and it takes about 30 minutes, but it will be the best $45 you ever spend.

i have no idea what handling changes will occur for any adjustments i make on my own, hence i leave it alone and call on the pros. i suspect it takes years to figure this stuff out on your own and many more to master...


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are you talking about the Katana? If so you're limited in what you can do because the adjustments are few but for sure you should not be bottoming out.

this article explains basic set up pretty well Setting up your Bike - Suspension 101 | Total Racing Solutions but as i mentioned you may not be able to control all of it. let me know....
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