The stupidest thing done on a motorcycle.

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by thelazyone

Is this a fact or an opinion? Laws are laws plain and simple. During my brother's first week of assignment. He had to write someone up on a traffic violation. He felt bad. His patrol supervisor was riding with him and he had no choice but to write the guy up. I'd be a little hesitant with make such statements. When can turn this topic into an all day debate but the truth to the matter is when you break laws, there are consequences to be paid.

Its fact actually

Towns in the west could not survive on the taxes alone, they began to fine people, when cowboys & miners came into town, and raised hell they would lock them up, but if they were locked up they were not spending money, if they fined them to much, they would not come back, thus a medium fine was imposed and cities who's governments would have crumbled stayed afloat.
Fast forward to this century and little has changed, yes some laws are for supposed safety but as Issaac stated generally its just a knee jerk reaction.
We are good at that in this country, with more laws than any other country on earth that is readily apparent. We also dominate by far on the traffic laws end of things where if you travel to other countries you will find that not only are traffic laws almost non existant but police have better things to do than to write a ticket for a traffic accident, which btw is just a way for the government to pay for that little visit to your scene. You also in a free society cannot create laws on the assumption that people will indeed hurt someone else, in other words you cannot ticket someone for doing a wheelie becouse he (may wreck) when in fact he more than likely will not wreck, and if he does he more than likely will not hurt anyone but himself.
R you starting to get it now?
Trust me, we are wayyy overboard on what we can or cannot do in this society, if people jsut shut the fuck up and worried about there own screwed up lives instead of trying to control someone elses, we would be alot better off, but hte fact is people cannot even control their own life, so those people are most often the ones to point fingers and try to control someone elses.

I say to all the scared little bitches who are afraid to do anything that may get them a boo boo when in the end none of us get out of this alive.

[thelazyone]

Originally Posted by isaac

You write that like it's some sort of universal truth, and that laws enacted for one reason but interpreted for another are somehow just.

There's a law on the books in Florida that if you cross a railroad track in your car before stopping, getting out, firing a gun into the air, getting back in, honking your horn twice, and then proceeding with caution, you get ticketed. It was never repealed.

So the next time I forget to do all that shit, I'll pull over and call the cops on myself. That's just how it is. I broke the law. There are consequences to be paid.

And what I wrote was fact. Yes laws are written as plainly as possible, but many are open for interpretation. "Reckless driving" can apply to damn near anything a cop wants it to, just as a cop can pull you over for doing 30mph over the limit and give you a ticket for having a taillight out and send you on your way, grateful for the levity.

about cops funding their own needs.

[thelazyone]

i'll just let me kids know that laws are made to be broken... Just don't be pist off when my little one's start packing heat in school.

[Liver Shot]

Originally Posted by thelazyone

i'll just let me kids know that laws are made to be broken... Just don't be pist off when my little one's start packing heat in school.

From what I've seen in the Open Forums here, most of these guys are advocates of carrying concealed firearms on schools. So I don't think they'll be pissed

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by thelazyone

i'll just let me kids know that laws are made to be broken... Just don't be pist off when my little one's start packing heat in school.

Im ok with that, it wasnt that long ago that jsut about every little boy carried a knife to school, now suddenly they are GOING TO MURDER SOMEONE.
Studies have also shown that children who do carry to school are usually doing so to protect themselves, its also been proven that all the security measures only go against those kids as those wishing Ill intent will have a gun or whatever dropped thru a side window from a buddy ect.
That poor kid who was not allowed to carry a gun can now be beaten to death in the bathroom or attacked on his way home more easily.
Around here you were an Outcast if you didnt have a rifle in your truck outside the school

Why are you so scared of everything? Why did you even risk putting yer dick in a muff patch knowing that Aids, Hep and other nasty things are running around (1 in four people will catch an STD).

Shit man, you better not eat any fruits, cause some people get cancer from citric acid.

Damn, lifes a bitch.

[thelazyone]

Originally Posted by Liver Shot

From what I've seen in the Open Forums here, most of these guys are advocates of carrying concealed firearms on schools. So I don't think they'll be pissed

true. not that i'm complaining cause i hate the fact that our gun laws restrict good citizens from carrying.

[TwoColorShoe]

Originally Posted by isaac

It is what's stupid about society. The reason is we take these blanket assumptions, turn them into laws to protect everybody from a dangerous few, and empower cops to legally interpret the difference.

That system of "police discretion" makes us believe we won't be ticketed every time we get pulled over, depending on the situation and the real safety hazards inherent to it.

The only problem is that we've already set up a system where the police essentially fund themselves by ticketing otherwise safe people by following the letter of the law rather than using their own discretion to identify what's truly safe after the fact when they pull the person over. There's little guarantee that the cop who pulls you over will truly understand the safety issues of the situation without his judgment being clouded by emotion or the need to bolster department funding with another several hundred dollar fine from you, even if you were "breaking the law" in a totally innocuous manner.

So you have so many riders/drivers so inured of the police's poor judgment and financially justified motivations that they fear having to be subjected to it, and therefore they run. If the system weren't already set up to be governed entirely by people with notoriously erratic judgment, this wouldn't be an issue.



Yeah but most traffic rules are enacted because one idiot out of 1,000 fucked up and crashed, therefore putting the city in fear of being sued for having unsafe road conditions, and so they oversimplify things by adding yet another overzealous law to keep the one idiot from fucking up, crashing, and suing the city.

That's why you'll see a new traffic light where there wasn't one before, in an area that's not growing. Or you'll see a "no U-turns" sign suddenly in an otherwise very safe, wide open area, where there obviously needn't be one.

It's because that 1 out of 1,000 people fucked up and crashed due to their incompetence, but they wanted to blame the city, and so the city gets scared and makes yet another rule for EVERYBODY, despite 999 out of 1,000 people being able to negotiate the intersection/curve/stop sign/railroad crossing just fine. The only difference is that now if those 999 other people do the same thing they did the day before, it's illegal, and they owe hundreds of dollars.

I've worked with numerous city councils and city management staffs with issues like this, and that's how that really works. It's amazing how the fear-driven whims of a city/county council/commission can turn an otherwise safe driving maneuver from safe and legal to safe but illegal overnight.

I've been present at city discussions where traffic engineers persuade the council that if they lower the speed limit on a road from 45mph to 35mph, more total cars will be able to flow through that street during rush hour. That speed limit is then lowered for the purpose of improving traffic flow, with safety not being a factor at all. Yet when a cop pulls you over for doing your customary 50mph in that road the day after the speed limit changes, he's cussing his brains out at you about how you were driving like a maniac on account of the new 15mph differential between your vehicle and the number on the sign.

But that is the problem. It isn't a 1/1000 thing with wheelies. I do understand and completely agree and sympathize with you that many laws, especially local ones, are made because of an overreaction due to fear. We're talking about being able to wheelie on a public road, though, and a majority of the kids doing this today do present some kind of danger to both himself and others.

(to change the topic for a sec)
Also, when a cop pulls you over for going 50 in a 35 that was 45 a day before, it's still your fault. There have been studies done (and please don't ask me where to find them. I'll look if you desperately need them, though) that said that it is actually more dangerous for someone to be going 60mph in a 75mph zone than 80. What they found was that it wasn't speeding causing the problem, it was the difference in speed. So, if you want to look at it that way, the cop didn't pull you over for going 50 because you were speeding; the cop pulled you over for being much faster than the other traffic. So even though it was safe to go 50 yesterday, it isn't today, because of the difference in speed.

also

Originally Posted by tarosean

Damn has Dealsgapdragon rubbed off on someone????

EDIT: Sounds like everyone is kind of winding down in this discussion. Pretty much what we can take from all this is:
Sport bike riders are pretty much bad-ass awesome.

[thelazyone]

Originally Posted by 636blurr

Im ok with that, it wasnt that long ago that jsut about every little boy carried a knife to school, now suddenly they are GOING TO MURDER SOMEONE.
Studies have also shown that children who do carry to school are usually doing so to protect themselves, its also been proven that all the security measures only go against those kids as those wishing Ill intent will have a gun or whatever dropped thru a side window from a buddy ect.
That poor kid who was not allowed to carry a gun can now be beaten to death in the bathroom or attacked on his way home more easily.
Around here you were an Outcast if you didnt have a rifle in your truck outside the school

Why are you so scared of everything? Why did you even risk putting yer dick in a muff patch knowing that Aids, Hep and other nasty things are running around (1 in four people will catch an STD).

Shit man, you better not eat any fruits, cause some people get cancer from citric acid.

Damn, lifes a bitch.

blurr help me with your logic. How is having unprotected sex relevant to doing wheelies or passing on the double yellow? Why does fear having anything to do with this topic? Being fearful is irrelevant to what we were discussing.

[636blurr]

You were the one who said "i'll just let me kids know that laws are made to be broken... Just don't be pist off when my little one's start packing heat in school"

I replied.



If you look futher up I replied to wheelies in public and traffic laws. As well as explained to you why ticketing is nothing more than a revenue source.

[thelazyone]

Originally Posted by 636blurr

You were the one who said "i'll just let me kids know that laws are made to be broken... Just don't be pist off when my little one's start packing heat in school"

I replied.



If you look futher up I replied to wheelies in public and traffic laws. As well as explained to you why ticketing is nothing more than a revenue source.

I'm talking about being afraid to break laws. As for gun's which is another story. I would never send my kids into a class with a gun or a knife. Real men fight with fist.

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by thelazyone

I'm talking about being afraid to break laws. As for gun's which is another story. I would never send my kids into a class with a gun or a knife. Real men fight with fist.

For minor things, I agree, when someones trying to take your life. play time is over.

[jk750]

How soon before all sportbike content in this thread is lost and it gets moved to P&R?

[velophile]

Originally Posted by TwoColorShoe

The "problem with society" (if I can reeeeeally stretch) is today's entirely consumerist and materialistic debt based society. People just have to buy newer faster bikes every year (not you, of course. I love your bike), and a "bigger is better" mentality has really permeated today's market. This leads to many untrained and uneducated people on bikes that are twice as fast as bikes a few decades ago (which were still seen as "too fast for beginners"). This leads to more stupid squids poorly performing wheelies, and causing a great danger to themselves and others, requiring the steps to catch and prosecute these people in order to stop them.

For real? Honestly? GTFO. Go start your own thread, my god. This is the most off topic drivel I've ever come across in my entire life.

[ZxHunteR]

I plead the FIF

[isaac]

Originally Posted by velophile

For real? Honestly? GTFO. Go start your own thread, my god. This is the most off topic drivel I've ever come across in my entire life.

Aside from saying most people who wheelie are a danger to others, I agree with the guy completely.

There are way too many new bikers lured into buying a "gixxer" or Hayabusa as their first bike because popular culture presents them as the only alternative unless you want to be uncool. Therefore you get inexperienced bikers buying superbikes they can't afford, crashing them, and having ten grand in debt on a totaled bike.