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DMG/AMA-Edmondson Daytona Motorsports Group Discussion Thread
Daytona Motorsports Group unveiled their plans for the NASCARization of AMA Superbike and road racing series for 2009.
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The premier class becomes "Daytona Superbikes" which will include a very wide array of machinery from different manufacturers, from a BMW 1200 to a Japanese four-cylinder 600. Daytona Superbike will be horsepower limited and power to weight ratio limited--with the bikes being weighed with rider. Daytona Superbike will be regulated to improve parity and competition, including regular ECU exchanges. Only “homologated, available and affordable aftermarket components” will be allowed.
Sounds OK, but 'Daytona' Superbikes will mostly be generic and regulated 600cc I-4 machines, straight from NASCAR's 'Car of Tomorrow' handbook. This is the 'premier' class? I said four years ago this was coming.
The 'LiterBike' class will become a supporting role, like Superstock, but with spec tires and spec fuel. BUT... there will be "minimum and maximum levels required to maintain eligibility.” Each manufacturer will have to enter four riders in the class to be eligible, and there will be a limit as to how many of each brand can compete. So no longer can all the privateers ride GSXRs, or whatever.
On a positive note the MotoST series and the Red Bull Rookies Cup (currently two-strokes!) will join the series.
i guess we'll really have to see how it pans out. most things have quirks to work out during inception and implementation so if this lasts a few yrs it may pan out well. thank god for the red bull contribution as well. it just may spark a "little bike" revolution.
I'm not feeling it. Sorry, but a buddist in the family doesn't make you open-minded. It just means you're bangin' a buddist.
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Originally Posted by zx6rracer
race had everything to do with why he got elected. it was NOT about the issues. do you realize how many niggers are going around with their hip hop attitudes celebrating cause they got a mulatto elected?
"This is the format that we're looking at," and being told - because I asked over three times, "What about the 1000s?" - and I was told all three times, there was no 1000s in their vision.
they (DMG) talked more about the GrandAm racing and NASCAR things than they did [motorcycle] roadracing.
I was worried when it was announced that the France family was involved, but I thought Roger Edmonton had more sense than this.
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Ever feel you've been cheated? - Johnny Rotten
I go Beltway blitzin' on my mad mofo musclebike WFO. Its a true choice, a god-like experience if you will. The thought that I could buy the farm in a spectacular fireball...................well, that gives me a stiffie! Tesco Vee/The Meatmen
alot of the info is gonna take a while to sink in but what i'm getting is:
1.the manufacturers are gonna lose a few teams due to the regulations
2. racing is gonna be more expensive( in turn, making the bikes sold on monday more exp. to compensate).
3. tire choice may be non-existent?
isn't really boding to well from my new found perspective but perhaps someone can put all this in laymen s terms for me.
I'm not feeling it. Sorry, but a buddist in the family doesn't make you open-minded. It just means you're bangin' a buddist.
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Originally Posted by zx6rracer
race had everything to do with why he got elected. it was NOT about the issues. do you realize how many niggers are going around with their hip hop attitudes celebrating cause they got a mulatto elected?
alot of the info is gonna take a while to sink in but what i'm getting is:
1.the manufacturers are gonna lose a few teams due to the regulations
2. racing is gonna be more expensive( in turn, making the bikes sold on monday more exp. to compensate).
3. tire choice may be non-existent?
isn't really boding to well from my new found perspective but perhaps someone can put all this in laymen s terms for me.
Superbikes will be mostly I-4 600cc highly regulated machines. No top shelf unobtanium factory parts and less technology allowed. Maybe closer competition, like a NASCAR restrictor plate race.
Ducati won't come back as planned, and the WSBK guys will be laughing at us.
1000cc bikes will be the bush leagues for a couple seasons, then be cancelled due to lack of support. Every manufacturer will be required to field four riders in order to compete (in addition to fielding their Superbike teams). Only a couple manufacturers currently do this. And they won't let too many of any brand compete either. So any privateers left may not get to race because they showed up on the 'wrong' brand.
I'm not feeling it. Sorry, but a buddist in the family doesn't make you open-minded. It just means you're bangin' a buddist.
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Originally Posted by zx6rracer
race had everything to do with why he got elected. it was NOT about the issues. do you realize how many niggers are going around with their hip hop attitudes celebrating cause they got a mulatto elected?
"This is the format that we're looking at," and being told - because I asked over three times, "What about the 1000s?" - and I was told all three times, there was no 1000s in their vision.
they (DMG) talked more about the GrandAm racing and NASCAR things than they did [motorcycle] roadracing.
Hope They don't ban 1000 streetbikes. But we know They want to.
That would cut top speed from 200 down to a measly 160 on the street.
The big dark secret of NASCAR is that Cup cars are one of the slowest categories in all of NASCAR, due to extreme weight of steel bodies.
So They prefer slow bikes. Especially since Daytona is such an unsafe track with legal liability for bikers. Just slow the bikes rather than improve track safety.
Last edited by dealsgapdragon : 04-18-2008 at 02:57 AM.
I already knew that whatever rednecks get their hands on turns into crap. They did the same thing with sports cars with their crappy generic looking DT prototypes. But at least there is the American LeMans series which has the true feel of sportscar racing.
Wow, the United States of America is going to have a "superbike" seriese using 600CC bikes with horsepower limits. This doesn't bode well for pulling America out of the bush leagues of motorcycle racing.
So... what incentives will manufacturers have to improve the technology of their bikes? Why bother develop a lighter, more powerful bike if it cannot be used in races? Is the sale of bikes to the public enough to cover the R&D that delivers these weight, power, handling and torque improvements every two years? If not for the FIM races, would this lead to motorcycle technology being essentially frozen at the current level?
Well, the manufacturers will still be doing the R&D on the liter bikes. They still race WSB. Those bikes may not come here though.
What DMG is proposing is ridiculous. The series needed some tweaking, not a complete overhaul. The rule changes for 2009 addressed some of the needed changes. Beyond that, the biggest change needed is to make ALL race kit parts available to ALL TEAMS before the factory teams could use them. As far as that goes, the tire manufacturers also need to be forced to sell all tires to any team that wants them as an alternative to spec tires.
Superstock was going to go away and needed to.
The talk of spec tires and spec fuel are bad for Superbike, in my opinion. Supersport, maybe.
They needed to add a class to replace Superstock, I had thought maybe they would go to something like the 450 monos, the 4 stroke MX motors in a roadracing chasis. As a support class, they could find some way to keep the pro riders out of the class to allow up-and-comers to show their stuff. I think you'd see some good racing in a class like that.
__________________
For as dumb as you are, even you will remember this. - Lee Ving/ Fear
Ever feel you've been cheated? - Johnny Rotten
I go Beltway blitzin' on my mad mofo musclebike WFO. Its a true choice, a god-like experience if you will. The thought that I could buy the farm in a spectacular fireball...................well, that gives me a stiffie! Tesco Vee/The Meatmen
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