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Since a 250cc sportbike is considered too easily outgrown and some people think a 600cc or more is too much for a beginner, wouldn't manufacturers benefit from putting out 400cc sportbikes if styled like a 600 sportbike such as the 08 Ninja 250?
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they do... just not in the US.
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well the 250 is sellings like ridiculously tasty hot-cakes, i dont see a huge place for a 400. If it could handle like the 250, then why not?
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The bike in my avatar is a VFR400R and had more power than the Ninja 500.

It had a gear-cam driven V-four that didn't even redline until 14K, ran like a raped ape, and cornered like it was on rails. I still miss that bike.

Later generations of the VFR400 were upgraded to the RVF before production finally ended a few years ago. None of these bikes were ever offered in the states.

Honda also makes a CBR250R but I don't believe there are any plans to sell it in the states. The other manufacturers make "oddball" size bikes but they don't sell well here in Japan and I don't think there are any plans to move in on Kawi's market on beginner bikes.
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why would the put out 400cc bikes when there are 500s?
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why would the put out 400cc bikes when there are 500s?
Because my 400 is faster than your 500

IwakuniDiver, I want a NC30 soooooooooo bad. There used to be many for sale around here, but these days it's so hard to find one. I went to look one that was for sale, but the thing had "headache" written all over it.

A friend of mine had one, and he always talks how great the NC30 was. *Sigh* maybe someday I will find a unmolested NC30 for sale in here.
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It might make sense but there wouldn't necessarily be a market for it. If there was then they'd already be selling it. Keep in mind that not everyone subscribes to the view that smaller may for some be better, and most think that anything smaller than a 600 is a chick bike. It's a wonder that the 250s and 500s exist at all.
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We've got 400cc bikes all over the place here, cruisers included. My roommate has an NC30 RVF 400 that I've ridden quite a bit. Love that bike!
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Since a 250cc sportbike is considered too easily outgrown and some people think a 600cc or more is too much for a beginner, wouldn't manufacturers benefit from putting out 400cc sportbikes if styled like a 600 sportbike such as the 08 Ninja 250?
They are available in other countries, but not here.



Your statement is 250cc is considered easily outgrown. Key word is considered.
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Actually I think that's a really good size for a bike; big enough to handle the highway and about any situation, yet still can be small and relatively easy to handle. But the several attempts to try to sell them here have all failed (although they all were cool bikes). The FZR400, the Suzuki Bandit 400, the Honda CB-1, etc. Probably the last 400 to sell well here was the Honda 400-4 of the mid-1970's.

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IMO, americans are too concerned with displacement and 'specs' for there to be enough of a following for the smaller displacement bikes... Too much 'bigger is better' mentality where the status-quo is more displacement than necessary and more power than you can ever use, when it comes to the 'hobby ride/vehicle'. How many guys do you see driving around in HD trucks, who never tow more than a small boat with em...

Sad. Although what Kawi did with the 250 was just awesome and a big step in the right direction, because SO many people out there started on 600's because the 250's and 500's were butt-ugly and outdated. Im already seeing tons of the 08's on the road here..... Definitely a HUGE positive step towards putting new riders onto a bike they can handle and truly learn the right way, and not be self-conscious about their bike in the process.
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id love to see a 400 sport bike, but it doesnt seem likely
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I think instead of 400cc bikes more dealers should start developing 250s. I think a suzuki gsxr 250 and a yamaha r250 (i guess?) would be pretty cool. I know the sales numbers for 250cc sportbikes aren't near the sales numbers for 600s and 1ks, but I'd like to see it!
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As far as Kawasaki goes.....personally I'd drop the EX500 altogether probably, and put the money into refining the 250 and 650 models and keeping them fresh and competitive as far as starter/practical bikes go.

Suzuki would be wise to revamp the GS500..... She's a looker for sure, but hardly competitive. (SOHC & air-cooled??)
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I think instead of 400cc bikes more dealers should start developing 250s. I think a suzuki gsxr 250 and a yamaha r250 (i guess?) would be pretty cool. I know the sales numbers for 250cc sportbikes aren't near the sales numbers for 600s and 1ks, but I'd like to see it!
Those already existed But it would be cool if they made a return.







Also Kawasaki had the ZXR250 (ZX-2R in some markets)...not your average Ninjette 2 fiddy...

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