Flordia: 30mph over= 5-10 Jail time.

[F4sSprintST]

Better RUN FOR IT................

[StreetPharmacist]

Originally Posted by Thunderace1997

Unfortunaly they could raise the speed limit by 30mph and people would still speed 20-30mph over. lol

Most retarded comment ever. People go the speed they feel safe at,regaurdless of speed limits. If it's not safe 2 go the posted, they don't. If it's safe to go 30+ they will. People gotta learn speed limits aren't for safety,they are pure revenue. Speed doesn't cause fatal accidents on the highway,speed diferential does.

[SouthJersey636]

Originally Posted by mharrison

I would just prefer that it be a REASONABLE price.

Its hard to be reasonable when your dealing with a bunch of idiots that try to say that doing over such and such speed is only an accident. The outrageous charges if you get caught disobeying this law are there to prevent them from being broken in the first place. Dont get me wrong I dont agree with all the law but I also don't feel sorry when someone goes out and breaks the law knowing what can happen. Choose your time and place to goof around, I'm pretty sure this law wont affect those that speed-stunt or whatnot in the right type of place being not on a major highway where there are alot of police.

[Smooth7]

Originally Posted by stealthy1

This all depends upon the situation. You have never had to speed up to avoid getting into an accident with a careless driver?

now i dont support this new law, and i understand your point, but....

....ive never had to speed up to 30mph over the limit to get outta that situation. i dont know about you...

[SouthJersey636]

I think this law is going to just piss off mostly younger riders out there that buy new-used bikes and do the stupidest stuff on them for there first 1-3 years riding. Eventually the hooligans get enough tickets and mature enough to know that a law like this really isnt that bad when you dont act stupid. Dont get me wrong though older riders will still find the law a problem but its going to mainly IMO offend the younger owners of sportbikes.

[StreetPharmacist]

^^^^^^
Just like the 55mph speed limit on the most wide open stretch of the GSP got changed from 65 to 55 and in the first day I saw 2 accidents take place,one rather bad. It's all about the safety...

[Thunderace1997]

Originally Posted by lemosley01

Noboby deserves to lose property over SPEEDING.

Stop being such a wimp and stand up for your RIGHTS.

If you get hit three times for the same thing then maybe you do deserve to lose your bike for being an idiot. Is it easy to do 50mph over the limit on a bike.....yes. Is there a need to go 50mph over....nope. Is it my right to go 50mph over the speed limit. Nope, driving and riding a bike is a priviledge...not a right.

Again, there is no reason to do 50mph over the limit. If you read my earlier post you'll see I also believe speed limits in some areas should be raised like on highways and roads in the middle of no where.

I'll stand up for my RIGHTS but my right to drive on a highway/road is not a right but a priviledge. It is my RIGHT to own the fastest bike out there and my RIGHT to run it on any track or private property but not on a highway.

[PhilB]

Originally Posted by Thunderace1997

If you get hit three times for the same thing then maybe you do deserve to lose your bike for being an idiot. Is it easy to do 50mph over the limit on a bike.....yes. Is there a need to go 50mph over....nope. Is it my right to go 50mph over the speed limit. Nope, driving and riding a bike is a priviledge...not a right.

Again, there is no reason to do 50mph over the limit. If you read my earlier post you'll see I also believe speed limits in some areas should be raised like on highways and roads in the middle of no where.

I'll stand up for my RIGHTS but my right to drive on a highway/road is not a right but a priviledge. It is my RIGHT to own the fastest bike out there and my RIGHT to run it on any track or private property but not on a highway.

This illustrates the one condition under which you CAN actually lose your rights: when you don't believe in them yourself.

PhilB

[emericanchaos]

Originally Posted by Jakester_87

God i would just love to take I-4 from tampa to daytona at 160 and cut my time in half and not even have to worry about police.

Wish we had a system like germany.

If they had some way of testing your vehicle for what speed you would be going at and deem it safe to a certain speed holy shit heaven on earth, its the retard in the civic trying to push 140 in a grocery getter car that has the malfunction and die's. Not the person in the porche.

I dont know how comfortable i would be going top speed on the gsxr1k the whole way but im sure i could do 150-160 and feel pretty safe about it. with the occasional burst up to top speed.

that makes sense. i know in japan they class vehicles in such a way. they also class vehicle by the experience of the driver. all of which is visible on the outside of the car.

[dealsgapdragon]

Originally Posted by LAX

FLORIDA: Anti-biker bill voted into US law

Visordown.com - New law gives police power confiscate vehicles and suspend licences for 10 years

AN anti-biker bill has been voted into Florida law after State Representative Carlos Lopez-Cantera took a ride-along with local police last November.

The law comes into effect on October 1st, 2008 and will allow police to confiscate a motor vehicle if the rider is caught doing more than 30mph over the limit.

There will be further penalties imposed including jail sentences of five to ten years as well as suspended motorcycle licences for ten years.

The bill was originally introduced specifically against motorcycles but an amendment was made to include all vehicles.

This is just another example of an unconstitutional law that will be overturned by injunction on criminal appeal, or by civil class action, with refund of all money illegally seized. Bogus jailtime and lost income is usually compensated at $20,000 to $50,000 per year in Section 1983 civil rights cases.

It's a violation of Constitutional Equal Protection doctrine under the 14th Amendment to have a "law" that only applies to one group of citizens, with immunity for another group of citizens. Since this "law" originally only applied to bikers and not drivers, the law had to be changed. However, it's not enough to write that a law applies equally, it must also be enforced equally. I doubt the Florida law will be enforced against drivers, but then again, cops and gangsters in govt are greedy.

The 14th Amendment is the law that supposedly freed the slaves after the Civil War. Bikers are not slaves, no matter how badly the police state wants them to be.

Police are never prosecuted for speeding with their emergency lights and sirens turned off, which are required to be turned on before they can violate any traffic law. That's also an Equal Protection defense. So the Florida law can be defeated that way too, which is how I defend myself in every ticket case, by using the cop's in-car video to prove he violated many laws.

Video: How to use a cop's in-car video to win in traffic court

Virginia was forced to kill it's "law" demanding drivers pay $3,000 speeding tickets, and is now refunding all that money:

Virginia: Abuser Fees Officially Dead

The Virginia "law" for $3,000 tickets also violated Constitutional Equal Protection doctrine, since it only applied to Virginia residents. Visitors only paid the usual $10 to $150 tickets. Equal Protection means a law must apply the same to every person.

Both the Florida and Virginia laws certainly qualify as "cruel and unusual punishment", which is banned by the US Constitution and state constitutions. However, defendants are routinely "ticketed" for up to $100,000 in US courts. So the Florida law can be overturned on that issue.

"Court finds $27,500 fine for second offense driving on a revoked license to be excessive."
—State vs Taylor, 70 S.W.3d 717, Tenn. 2002 (reduced on appeal to $15,000)

"In 2005, FasTrak system overcharged at least 600 motorists crossing the Bay Bridge between San Francisco and Oakland because ACS, the company in charge of the program, allowed its laser scanning devices to become dirty. In most cases, when the toll transponders fail, customers have their credit card on file billed based on a photographic scan of their vehicle's license plate. This usually is not a problem unless the credit card expiration date arrives and the automatic billing function fails, or the scanner misreads the plate. When such problems occur, the tolling authority can impose fines of up to $93,000 as several Orange County FasTrak users learned."
-TheNewspaper.com. California Toll Agency Wants Power to Seize Cars, 1/10/2008

California cops are now paid $200,000 salaries, while city govternments must file bankruptcy in federal court to stop payment on those contracts with police.

Most of those toll roads are owned for foreign corporations, that keep all the profit. Existing streets and highways are being given away to private corporations for toll roads. The King of Fascist Spain has already seized 7,000 miles of existing roads in Texas, for toll roads just to drive across town.

Foreign corporations are also now getting 90% to 100% of traffic ticket revenue in USA, by installing robocop spy scameras at redlights, and radar robocops on highways. Which is just another way to turn an existing road into a toll road.

"Redflex Group is based in South Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Redflex Holdings Limited was listed on the Australian Stock Exchange in January 1997. Redflex Traffic Systems Inc has contracts with more then 130 USA cities, and is the largest provider of digital red light and speed enforcement services in North America. Redflex Traffic Systems Inc has contracts in 100 cities world-wide and, with 84 cities under contract, is the largest provider of digital red light and speed enforcement services in North America, with photo speed programs in 8 states and photo red light programs across 16 states, and toll camera enforcement solutions."
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
-Dictator Benito Mussolini


Mussolini touring Italy during World War 2

Redflex is losing class actions all over USA, with all ticket revenue refunded and all cameras removed. Redflex and city councils are currently under federal criminal investigation for mail fraud in Lousiana. But Gangsta Govts still love robbing the sheeple at gunpoint, even when they get arrested as "terrorists" under the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act, like NY prosecutor/governor Eliot Spitzer was forced to resign this month and facing 50 years in prison for white slavery.

[quote]"It is extremely easy to beat this type of ticket in court. Your easiest defense is to simply throw the ticket away. If it does not come with a return receipt that requires a signature, there is no proof that you actually got the ticket and they cannot prosecute you on that. What the legal system wants you to do is just send in the fine and not ask any questions. This can be a big money maker for some communities. One other form of defense to utilize on your behalf is the fact that when you are accused in court you must be faced by your accuser. Obviously the computer cannot appear in court as a defense method for the prosecution. Also, you do not have to identify yourself as the driver of the vehicle because it would violate your sixth amendment rights against self incrimination."
-Norman G. Fernandez, attorney at law, How to Beat a Speeding Ticket - Photo RADAR

All bogus laws are null and void from their inception, as every court is forced to agree. But only when folks fight their tickets. If everyone fought their tickets, there would be no more tickets.

Free Ebook by a biker lawyer: How to Beat a Speeding Ticket

According to the Institute of Transportation Engineers and USDOT, speeding is SIX TIMES SAFER than driving a posted speed limit. Even lawyer Ralph Nader wrote that in his book, Unsafe at Any Speed: The Built-In Dangers of the American Automobile, that forced GM to switch to CV joints, sway bars and 4-wheel independent suspension on Vettes and Corvairs. Corvairs were rolling over at 30 mph.

If you want to learn how to drive a LEGAL 212 mph on a public highway, with perfect safety, in ordinary commuter traffic, watch American Autobahn on the History Channel:

YouTube - Autobahn (part 1)

YouTube - Autobahn (part 2)

"Those who do not assert their rights, have none."
-Maxim of Law, Blacks Law Dictionary

Warning: Signing a driver license contract, or signing a traffic citation contract, means you "voluntary" waivered your Constitutional rights. However, duress voids all contracts.

How to sign an adhesion contract without waivering your Constitutional and civil rights:

Uniform commerical Code

U.C.C. - ARTICLE 1- GENERAL PROVISIONS PART 2

§ 1-207. Performance or Acceptance Under Reservation of Rights.

(1) A party who with explicit reservation of rights performs or promises performance or assents to performance in a manner demanded or offered by the other party does not thereby prejudice the rights reserved. Such words as "without prejudice", "under protest" or the like are sufficient.

Your state probably has adopted similar language in its Commercial Law statutes.

FindLaw: Cases and Codes

SENATE BILL NO. 936

AN ACT To amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 47-1-207.

WHEREAS, The State of Tennessee has adopted revised Article 3 and revised Article 4 to the Uniform Commercial Code (Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 47, Chapters 3 and 4); and

SECTION 2. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 47-1-207, is amended by deleting the existing language in its entirety and by substituting instead the following:

(1) A party who, with explicit reservation of rights, performs or promises performance or assents to performance in a manner demanded or offered by the other party does not thereby prejudice the rights reserved. Such words as "without prejudice", "under protest" or the like are sufficient.

Here's what Pastor Rick Strawcutter, a certified paralegal, says about traffic tickets:

Free video: How Any Idiot Can Beat A RADAR Speeding Ticket

This country is in such bad shape because people have no idea what's going on. 80% of all criminal cases start with the admissions and confesions of the defendant. You take out a tape recorder and you have about a 40% chance of walking away without a ticket. Use a tape recorder no matter what situation you are in. Sometimes I use the recorder hidden under my shirt sleeve, for business situations. We're not advocating that you take this out and 'hunt bears'. Let's go back to the scene of the "crime". If you don't have an audiotape recorder, you NEED a tape recorder. Under every circumstance, if you are living in the USA at this time, you need a tape recorder. Get one of these before you get a .38-SpecialThe law allows you to tape record your own conversations. What is said to you, and what you say, is your property, under the 4th Amendment to the US Constitution. You can use it on the sly. Most of the time, I have it turned on and out the window before the cop walks up. I just say, 'Hi, officer, how ya doin'?' The cop says, 'I need to see your driver license, registration and proof-of-insurance card.' I used to say, 'What's your 'probable cause' for stopping me?' But, quite frankly, if you have a valid driver license, you have a valid contract with the state, and you can't raise probable cause. If they ask for your license, you have to produce it. Next thing the cop's gonna do, is ask you a series of questions, designed to incriminate you. In response to EVERY question, you will answer, "I respectfully decline to answer that question." Nancy Reagan said, 'Just Say NO!' The right to Free Speech under the First Amendment to the Constitution is also the right NOT to speak. By the way, driving 92mph in a 55-zone is NOT a "crime". No one has been injured under the common law, thus no crime was committed. There are some people who worship government to such a degree, that this world system is a god to them. If you 'sin', you must pay to "absolve" the sin. Technically, you have not violated the law. CRIMINAL Law includes rape, robbery and murder. What a traffic ticket is, is a breach of contract. Your driver license is a 'voluntary' consent to a contract, where you agree to be regulated by the Motor Vehicle Code. The breach of contract is 'cured' by you paying money. In an area where the People refuse to be Sheeple, they can establish an awful lot of freedom and liberty. There are towns where a whole bunch of people don't even have license plates on their cars, or driver licenses. The courts just get constipated with people defending themselves pro se. In Arizona, the attorney general put out a directive to the state troopers: 'If a driver makes a Constitutional objection, just let 'em go. It's not worth it.' The judge will turn to the defendant and ask, 'Are you ready to proceed?' You will either say, 'Yes I am,' or you will do what I do and say, 'Your Honor, I have a procedural matter to take up with the court, before I'm ready to move forward. Your honor, I wish to challenge the jurisdiction of this court today, over this person, me, because I'm not a "licensed driver". I present my license as evidence. I've signed this "Without Prejudice UCC 1-207". Your Honor, I wish to travel on the roads and highways under my Constitutionally guaranteed right to travel. I don't wish to be in a regulated enterprise. I'm not engaged in trade, commerce or industry. I don't want a driver license. I want to travel as a constitutional right, not as a state licensed privilege. But these police over here insist, that if I don't have one of these things, that they're gonna pull me over from time to time, and hurt me if I don't have one of these little pieces of paper, and I don't want to be hurt. So, under duress and threat and coercion, I put my signature on there, but I made a specific reservation of right that I'm not a party to this contract. There may be people who willingly volunteer into this, but I'm not one of them. Therefore my signature is not valid here. It was obtained under threat and duress, and I am not a licensed driver.' Sign your driver license 'WITHOUT PREJUDICE' and/or '1-207-UCC'. You know, if the people just figured out that it's all about money - if the Sheeple stopped being sheared - there would be a whole lot more wool around. We're going to make no admissions or confessions at the scene. When I get to court, all I want to testify against me is that RADAR unit. When you get to court, the first thing you're gonna do is 'deny responsibility'. It's a CIVIL matter now, NOT a criminal matter, so you DON'T 'plead guilty'.... ETC

All traffic tickets are "easy" cases to win in court, much easier to win that "real" trials. Just do your homework, and defend your Constitutionally guaranteed rights, including your right to travel without an internal passport driver license contract. 50-million illegal aliens are not required to have driver licenses nor ID in USA, especially in Florida.


Spanish-language TN Driver Certificates are NOT Driver Licenses

"There is no speed limit on the Autobahn. Before pulling into the left lane to pass, check the rear view mirror very carefully as far back as you can see. Cars traveling at 160-180 km per hour approach suddenly, so when passing (überholen), do so quickly and then quickly return to the right lane. WARNING: Do NOT admit any guilt. Do NOT sign anything unless you know exactly what you are signing."
—US Embassy in Germany

"The MAINTAIN TOP SAFE SPEED sign may be used on highways where conditions are such that it is prudent to evacuate or traverse an area as quickly as possible."
—USDOT, FHA, Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, Chapter 2I. Emergency Management Signing, 2003 Edition

[dealsgapdragon]

This Florida House Bill 137 has NOT been passed into law. Not for bikes and not for cars.

HB137 passed in a House committee, 9 votes to 1 vote against, but has been heavily modified on March 13 (no text provided). It has not been voted on by the House Legislature.

There is no equivalent Senate Bill, which only allows temporary confiscation for reckless driving on a bike. So this House Bill can never become a law without the Senate writing a similar law and voting on it.

Florida Bill HB 137, before the all-vehicles amendment on March 13:

HB 137 - Offenses Committed While Operating a Motorcycle

A bill to be entitled

An act relating to offenses committed while operating a motorcycle; creating s. 316.1926, F.S.; providing additional penalties for certain offenses committed by a person operating or in actual physical control of a motorcycle; requiring that the person be taken into custody; providing for seizure and forfeiture of the motorcycle; providing for revocation of the person's privilege to operate a motorcycle; providing an effective
date.

Be It Enacted by the Legislature of the State of Florida:

Section 1. Section 316.1926, Florida Statutes, is created to read:

316.1926 Motorcycle offenses.—

(1) When a law enforcement officer charges a person with reckless driving in violation of s. 316.192 or exceeding the speed limit by 30 miles per hour or more in violation of s. 316.183(2), s. 316.187, or s. 316.189 while operating or in actual physical control of a motorcycle, the officer shall arrest the person, take him or her into custody, and seize the motorcycle, which shall be subject to forfeiture under the Florida Contraband Forfeiture Act.

(2) Upon conviction, in addition to any other penalty provided by law, the court shall revoke the person's authorization and privilege to operate a motorcycle for a period of 10 years and order the person to surrender his or herdriver's license.

(a) If the person holds a Class A, Class B, or Class C driver's license, the department shall issue a replacement license, valid for the remainder of the person's unexpired license period, without the endorsement to operate a motorcycle.

(b) If the person holds a Class E driver's license that is not restricted to motorcycle operation only, the department shall issue a replacement license, valid for the remainder of the person's unexpired license period, without the authorization to operate a motorcycle.

(3) Revocation of the privilege to operate a motorcycle under this section shall not prohibit or restrict the issuance or renewal of a driver's license for purposes other than the operation of a motorcycle.

Section 2. This act shall take effect October 1, 2008.

Florida ABATE is reporting on the status of this bill, and is allegedly trying to fight it. You can bet that similar laws are secretly infiltrating all other states. Eternal vigilance is required to defend liberty.

The Florida House committee has now modified this bill on March 13, 2008 (no text provided):

HB137 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES STAFF ANALYSIS

IV. AMENDMENTS/COUNCIL SUBSTITUTE CHANGES

On March 13, 2008, the Committee on Infrastructure favorably reported the bill with a strike-all amendment, and an amendment to the strike-all amendment. The amendment creates a new s. 316.1926, F.S., which provides that violations of s. 316.2085(2) or (3), F.S., regarding motorcycle operation, or violations of the speeding laws in s. 316.183(2), 316.187, and 316.189, F.S., in excess of 50 miles per hour over the limit, are moving violations punishable as provided in Chapter 318.

The amendment subsequently amends 318.14, F.S., to provided “tiered” penalties for violations of the newly created s. 316.1926, F.S. A first violation is subject to a fine of $1,000; a second violation is subject to a fine of $2,500 and a one-year suspension of the offender’s driver’s license; and a third violation is a third degree felony resulting in forfeiture of the vehicle and license suspension for ten years.

The amendment clarifies that both wheels must be on the ground at all times when operating a motorcycle, but it is not a violation if a wheel loses contact with the ground briefly as a result of the road’s surface or other circumstance beyond the control of the operator.

Note that "accidental" wheelies are allowed...

Current 2007 Florida Statutes. MOTOR VEHICLES, CHAPTER 316

2007 Florida Statutes. 316.183 Unlawful speed.

(7) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

Proposed Florida HB 93 - Exceeding the Speed Limit in Residential Zones

For speed exceeding the limit by:..............Fine:
30 m.p.h. and above...............................$250
$500 fine on toll roads (somebody got paid a bribe)
Effective Date: October 1, 2008.

Proposed Florida HB 115 - Motor Vehicles Used to Flee From or Elude a Law Enforcement Officer

The court shall sentence any person convicted of committing the offense described in this paragraph to a mandatory minimum sentence of 3 years imprisonment.

The court shall revoke, for a period not less than 1 year nor exceeding 5 years, the driver's license of any operator of a motor vehicle convicted of a violation.

Any motor vehicle involved in a violation of this 150 section is deemed to be contraband, which may be seized by a law 151 enforcement agency and is subject to forfeiture.

I remember driving on Florida toll roads with an 85 mph speed limit, and no speed traps, when gas was $1/gallon. I also remember driving on the German Autobahn at 130 mph with commuter traffic cruising at 130 mph to over 200 mph, for hours at a time, 100% legal, where gas is now $10/gallon.

"Mr. Speaker, my subject today is whether America is a police state. If we are, what are we going to do about it? Most police states, surprisingly, come about through the democratic process with majority support. The masses are easily led to believe that security and liberty are mutually exclusive, and demand for security far exceeds that for liberty. Our government already keeps close tabs on just about everything we do and requires official permission for nearly all of our activities. One might take a look at our Capitol for any evidence of a police state. We see: barricades, metal detectors, police, military soldiers at times, dogs, ID badges required for every move, vehicles checked at airports and throughout the Capitol. The people are totally disarmed, except for the police and the criminals. But worse yet, surveillance cameras in Washington are everywhere to ensure our safety. Like gun control, people control hurts law-abiding citizens much more than the law-breakers. Centralized control and regulations are required in a police state. Not only do we need a license to drive, but we also need special belts, bags, buzzers, seats and environmentally dictated speed limits. Or a policeman will be pulling us over to levy a fine, and he will be toting a gun for sure. Let's reject the police state."
—Congressman Dr Ron Paul MD (R-TX, GOP candidate for president in 2008, 1988 Libertarian Party candidate for President, speech in House of Representatives, United States Congress, Are We Doomed To Be a Police State? June 27, 2002

Is America a nation of slaves, or are we free to travel? Will we fight for our rights, or cower under the North American Soviet Union merger of USA with Communist Canada and Fascist Mexico? Will we waiver our constitutions in exchange for the 6th Plank of the Communist Manifesto: "Govt control of communications and transporation"?

[Mooosman]

What's the problem? The highway speed limits around me are 65-75 miles an hour. Do you really need to be going 95-105?

I think this new law isn't so much about the freeways, it's for the dumbass squids that do 75 in a 40 in a crowded residential area. These are the people that have ruined it for you, not the guys going fast on the interstates.

Nick