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Driving/Riding is a privilage...not a right. However with that said, if one loses his/her license they are then traped in a circle that they can never get out. They got to drive to get to work, they have to work to eat and have a roof over their head, so again they HAVE to drive and they will drive then illegally which means no insurance and some $500 beater that is not road safe. Cop pulls them over takes their vehicle, gives them a ticket, person pays ticket buys another vehicle and drives once again because they HAVE to in our country. Lets face it this is not Europe we do not have that good of a bus/rail system for people not to have to drive.
In the end all this law will do is make people be stuck in a circle they will not be able to ever get out.
But that's THEIR choice, so they have to live with the inconvenience of not having wheels. Ride a bike, find a friend to share gas with, there are PLENTY of other options. We just think we're too good to use them. Which is why we don't have a good mass transit system, because noone would use it in this country unless they were forced.
You can get out, if you just obey the laws set up to begin with, and pay your dues instead of thinking that the government and everyone else "OWES" you something.
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But that's THEIR choice, so they have to live with the inconvenience of not having wheels. Ride a bike, find a friend to share gas with, there are PLENTY of other options. We just think we're too good to use them. Which is why we don't have a good mass transit system, because noone would use it in this country unless they were forced.
You can get out, if you just obey the laws set up to begin with, and pay your dues instead of thinking that the government and everyone else "OWES" you something.
You cant always, not evey place has mass transit, some area's are rural and travel is necissary beyond walking or bycicle.
The laws today are out of control, they are more concerned with ruining someones life for speeding, vs taking care of actual crime.
The gornment does owe us something, a chance to succeed. Child molestors get two years in prison, but taking away someones vehicle for 10 years? is that not a setence? Of course it is.
The bottom line is this is another bullshit law, another way for the government to bend over its people.
And people "obeying" is only going to make it worse.
No it's not, driving is a privilege and not a right. If they want to take your drivers license away, they can. As for taking your bike away, you'll just have to pay to get it out of the impound.
Edit...I didn't read anything and I missed that others have already said this, so please ignore, haha.
Son go read why we revolted to begin with.
Get a clue, and quit being such a little government obeying sissy.
it's someones CHOICE to break the laws...with that said, it's their own damn fault they can't drive to work or get food etc..they should have thought about that before they twisted the throttle...that's the real problem in this country. NO ONE wants to accept the responsibility of their actions. they just want to bitch about the repercussions instead.
And NO ONE stops to think of the repercussions first. it's elemetary. and if they can't comprehend those actions why should they be allowed to share the roadways with responsible people that want to get from point A to point B and not be killed by morons?
Been thinking about this a lot and if it did pass, Im sure there would be people taking it to court immediately to get the decision reversed as being unconstitutional, or discriminatory.
For one, the finance companies. If you get the ticket & your bike is taken and destroyed, for those who are financing, that bike belongs to the finance company. Do you really think that deep pockets like that are going to let this actually become an enforceable law? The finance companies would not have any collateral to reposes if your bike was taken. And, if your bike is taken, would you really continue to make payments? They are not going to let that happen.
As much as I agree that "you do the crime, you do the time" and that this law is meant to be a deterrent. I still believe that it is discriminatory. If they made the law for any motor vehicle that would be fine, but to single out motorcycles is just not right.
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I still believe that it is discriminatory. If they made the law for any motor vehicle that would be fine, but to single out motorcycles is just not right.
it's someones CHOICE to break the laws...with that said, it's their own damn fault they can't drive to work or get food etc..they should have thought about that before they twisted the throttle...that's the real problem in this country. NO ONE wants to accept the responsibility of their actions. they just want to bitch about the repercussions instead.
And NO ONE stops to think of the repercussions first. it's elemetary. and if they can't comprehend those actions why should they be allowed to share the roadways with responsible people that want to get from point A to point B and not be killed by morons?
So who is keeping the government in check then?
One of the biggest violators I see in my state have the "government" plates on there cars.
Its all find to put forth laws down on the citizens, but there is a HUGE double standard where we are asked to be held accountable for that which others are not.
For the last time, if this becomes law, it gives them the right to CRUSH your bike. NOT just impound it.
That means they take and DESTROY your personal property, and you can't ride a bike on the street for 10 years.
But if a car is right next to you, they get a $150 ticket.
This law would NOT be ok if it applied to all vehicles, either. It's just insane.
I was unaware that they could destory it...just thought that they would impound it.
636...deal with it, the government will NEVER be perfect. YOU vote for your officials. If you don't like something send them a letter. That's all you can do, until you become president.
I never said I like some of the laws that are out there, but there is nothing you can really do about it, so bitching and whining get you no where.
I personally have no problem with 99% of the laws out there because they only affect DUMBASS people who choose to break laws that are VERY simple to obey.
I was unaware that they could destory it...just thought that they would impound it.
636...deal with it, the government will NEVER be perfect. YOU vote for your officials. If you don't like something send them a letter. That's all you can do, until you become president.
I never said I like some of the laws that are out there, but there is nothing you can really do about it, so bitching and whining get you no where.
I personally have no problem with 99% of the laws out there because they only affect DUMBASS people who choose to break laws that are VERY simple to obey.
See that goes to show how informed you are right there, each and every day you unwittingly break a law like it or not.
I would have liked you to have told the forfathers not to be "bitching and complaining"
Thats life, I will bitch, I will complain, and I will fight something corrupt every step of the way.
Yea, but obviously that law isn't enforced enough because I have never gotten in trouble. Just because laws are created doesn't mean everyone is going to enforce it. Did you know having ANY sticker on your windshield is illegal, even those oil change reminder ones or state park stickers? I have NEVER seen or heard of anyone getting a ticket for that.
I may be uninformed, but I have no problem with how things are right now.
Yea, but obviously that law isn't enforced enough because I have never gotten in trouble. Just because laws are created doesn't mean everyone is going to enforce it. Did you know having ANY sticker on your windshield is illegal, even those oil change reminder ones or state park stickers? I have NEVER seen or heard of anyone getting a ticket for that.
I may be uninformed, but I have no problem with how things are right now.
You should have a problem with it, you just got done telling me "get over it, the government is not perfect" really but the average human being has to put up with more BS than someone who should be setting an example?
Look man, we need people to be more vocal and to take a stand, if you put half your energy twords where it belongs, instead of against your fellow american, we would be in alot better shape.
I smell speed traps in the wind...coming off a road 65-70mph turns to 30-35mph.
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Why is it that people jump on people assuming its their first bike...because they just joined the forum....maybe they just want to converse and ask questions...people can ride for eternity without coming here for our infinite wisdom
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It's better to learn on a 250 for all the same reasons that experts can make a 600 do so much more. The design compromises that make a sportbike so responsive in the hands of an expert also make it amplify the mistakes of a beginner.
Also we should look at reality even with such a law do you think the court won't drop the charges to a lessor degree? The Judges, Cops, Government Officials just want you to pay a fine. It is all about the money, not a safety issue.
Sometimes it is a safety issue, like speeding 160mph in a school zone (what school zone is even that long, even for a sportbike?). But for the average Joe going 5mph-10mph over it really is not a safety issue, if it was the cops would see that everyone on the road is going 5-10 over so by him telling you to do the speed limit you are now being told to make the roadway unsafe for the flow of traffic. It really seems counter productive on the police departments part if it was about safety.
However they are paid with monies from traffic stops. Thus in their minds they try to rationalize what they are doing is right and for the good of the people. Plus it does not help insurance companies give police departments the latest technologies (Radar Units) to write more tickets and to make you pay for for insurance. We are led to believe going over some made up number is Unsafe, that is just a bunch of BS.
I myself do not really view Speed limits as Law. I follow them if I think they are right with the road conditions. If I am on 50 going across NV it is fine to do 150mph the whole time up to the point of towns (few and far in between). Any ticket given out there would just be total BS.
Oh, well like others have said there is nothing one can do...being a Politician does not mean you can just up and change laws that people are brought up to believe in and that seem to be nationaly the norm in other states.
I smell speed traps in the wind...coming off a road 65-70mph turns to 30-35mph.
Yep, and there are plenty of those in CO...that drop for no reason.
Funny how I am so against speed limits and I just put in for the Colorado Police department, I'm to take a test in the next few weeks...LOL Oh, well I'll be an easy going cop to most vehicles...plenty of unsafe people cutting people off and not using blinkers to write up vs someone driving safe 10mph above the limit.
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