How would a turbo 250 compare to a non-turbo 600?

[King Cobra]

Gas mileage? Speed? Longevity? I know from what I've read that a turbo works best and is more reliable on larger displacement engines but could it be done wisely on a 250? The new Kawasaki would be hot in turbo mode. I'm just fantasizing about the possibility.

[ADR3NALINE FIX]

i know there are some weird ppl out there, but who would spend the tiem and money on turboing a 250? for the cost of the turbo you could buy another 250...or a nice 600.

[blowfishBx1]

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[sleepercivic88]

if you do your own fabrication turboing a motorcycle or car dosent cost that much. I have turboed a civic for about 200 bucks with intercooler and whole engine management system.

I have actually looked at compressor maps for trying to match a turbo for the 250 in the past but there isnt one that wouldn't be really lagy. For a motorcycle you want a really fast spool so you dont get a big non linear gain in power top end.

[King Cobra]

Originally Posted by ad3naline fix

i know there are some weird ppl out there, but who would spend the tiem and money on turboing a 250? for the cost of the turbo you could buy another 250...or a nice 600.

It'd be unique and probably really fun as well.

[King Cobra]

Originally Posted by sleepercivic88

if you do your own fabrication turboing a motorcycle or car dosent cost that much. I have turboed a civic for about 200 bucks with intercooler and whole engine management system.

I have actually looked at compressor maps for trying to match a turbo for the 250 in the past but there isnt one that wouldn't be really lagy. For a motorcycle you want a really fast spool so you dont get a big non linear gain in power top end.

That sucks.

[sumadaz]

a non-linear power band on a bike does not sound like fun to me. Think about it.....an obscene surge in power mid-turn? Seems a little too dangerous for my tastes especially with that small tire in the back. Go with a 600 and turbo that, more power not too mention a more linear power curve.

[Gimpdiggity]

Originally Posted by ad3naline fix

i know there are some weird ppl out there, but who would spend the tiem and money on turboing a 250? for the cost of the turbo you could buy another 250...or a nice 600.

So a used turbo and a system that you make yourself at home costs $3000 bucks??

I don't think so...not even close.

Like sleepercivic said, if you do most of the fabrication yourself, putting a turbo onto a vehicle can be done for under $200.

I know a guy who built a completely custom turbo system on a Saturn SLII for about $150 bucks. He just did all of the work himself, and found a used turbo on a broken down DSM sitting in a junk yard.

[th12t33n]

Originally Posted by ad3naline fix

i know there are some weird ppl out there, but who would spend the tiem and money on turboing a 250? for the cost of the turbo you could buy another 250...or a nice 600.

you obviously dont know much, you can make your own home brewed turbo setups that work just fine for a few bucks, it dosnt take much. Learn about topics before you post.

[th12t33n]

Originally Posted by sumadaz

a non-linear power band on a bike does not sound like fun to me. Think about it.....an obscene surge in power mid-turn? Seems a little too dangerous for my tastes especially with that small tire in the back. Go with a 600 and turbo that, more power not too mention a more linear power curve.

okay for that extreme surge of power you would have to be whackin the throttle mid turn?? who does that? Upon exit you roll on that boy but no one just grabs a hand full of fucking gas in the middle of a turn....... and people who have no idea what there talking about should research shit before posting about it. there are threads on here already discussing turbos and there power delivery, they can be set up just fine so they dont do that.


IMO SUPERCHARGE THE 250 =)

[machdup1]

[QUOTE=sleepercivic88]if you do your own fabrication turboing a motorcycle or car dosent cost that much. I have turboed a civic for about 200 bucks with intercooler and whole engine management system.

QUOTE]

Adding a turbo can be a fun project, irrespective of the vehicle, but if your looking for a quick thrill just throw some NOS at it, it will be way more cost effective. By the way, if this is your Daily Driver, go a different route. If you go the turbo route, plan on throwing some real money and time at the project. Turbo and cheap arn't two words that often go to together. Cheap and turbo normally results in cooked motor.

By the way is the bike fuel injected? Turbo'ing a carb'd vechicle is a bit more tricky.

I doubt SleeperCivic actually turbo'd a car for around $200.00 bucks, unless he had some friends that gave him all of the parts. I'd say that the starting price for going the cheap route on Turbo is around $1,250.00 (Normally your going to drop around $4,000.00 for a basic turbo setup in a car) if you have the necessary mechanical/welding abilities and turbo knowledge. The turbo route normally requires the following at a minimum:

1. Turbo, a cheap junk yard turbo (which equals fried motor) goes for $50-$100. This assumes you can find one in working order. Price for a decent turbo is $500.00 to $1500.00.

2. Turbo Manifold, if your handy with a welder and and can bend pipe, you can build your own for around $100.00. Premade turbo manifolds cost around $450.00 and up.

3. New Injectors-$100 and up for a set.

4. Bigger Fuel Pump - $150.00

5. Engine Management System and gauges (oil pressure, boost pressure and fuel pressure for starters) - $250 and up

6. Exhaust Mods - $50.00 and Up. (if required)

7. Air Cleaner Setup - $50.00 and Up

8. Wastegate - $100.00 and Up

9. Blow Off Valve - $100.00 and Up

10. Intercooler - $150 and Up (if required)

11. Piping - $50.00 and UP

12. Oil Lines and fittings - $50.00 and up

13. Silicon Fittings - $25.00 and up

14. New Motor because your fuel mixture was too lean ($2,500.00).

15. New Motor again because the boost spiked and broke the internals($2,500.00)

16. New Valve Train because it couldn't handle the horsepower ($1,000.00)

17. New Piston's

18. New Seals

19.. New Rods

20. New ride, because you've spent all of your time working on your ride and now your broke.

[th12t33n]

[QUOTE=machdup1]

Originally Posted by sleepercivic88

if you do your own fabrication turboing a motorcycle or car dosent cost that much. I have turboed a civic for about 200 bucks with intercooler and whole engine management system.

QUOTE]

Adding a turbo can be a fun project, irrespective of the vehicle, but if your looking for a quick thrill just throw some NOS at it, it will be way more cost effective. By the way, if this is your Daily Driver, go a different route. If you go the turbo route, plan on throwing some real money and time at the project. Turbo and cheap arn't two words that often go to together. Cheap and turbo normally results in cooked motor.

By the way is the bike fuel injected? Turbo'ing a carb'd vechicle is a bit more tricky.

I doubt SleeperCivic actually turbo'd a car for around $200.00 bucks, unless he had some friends that gave him all of the parts. I'd say that the starting price for going the cheap route on Turbo is around $1,250.00 (Normally your going to drop around $4,000.00 for a basic turbo setup in a car) if you have the necessary mechanical/welding abilities and turbo knowledge. The turbo route normally requires the following at a minimum:

1. Turbo, a cheap junk yard turbo (which equals fried motor) goes for $50-$100. This assumes you can find one in working order. Price for a decent turbo is $500.00 to $1500.00.

2. Turbo Manifold, if your handy with a welder and and can bend pipe, you can build your own for around $100.00. Premade turbo manifolds cost around $450.00 and up.

3. New Injectors-$100 and up for a set.

4. Bigger Fuel Pump - $150.00

5. Engine Management System and gauges (oil pressure, boost pressure and fuel pressure for starters) - $250 and up

6. Exhaust Mods - $50.00 and Up. (if required)

7. Air Cleaner Setup - $50.00 and Up

8. Wastegate - $100.00 and Up

9. Blow Off Valve - $100.00 and Up

10. Intercooler - $150 and Up (if required)

11. Piping - $50.00 and UP

12. Oil Lines and fittings - $50.00 and up

13. Silicon Fittings - $25.00 and up

14. New Motor because your fuel mixture was too lean ($2,500.00).

15. New Motor again because the boost spiked and broke the internals($2,500.00)

16. New Valve Train because it couldn't handle the horsepower ($1,000.00)

17. New Piston's

18. New Seals

19.. New Rods

20. New ride, because you've spent all of your time working on your ride and now your broke.

i stopped reading as soon as you said 4000 for a basic car turbo. your retarded my friend. the rest of your post is filled with nonsense as well.

[ADR3NALINE FIX]

Originally Posted by th12t33n

you obviously dont know much, you can make your own home brewed turbo setups that work just fine for a few bucks, it dosnt take much. Learn about topics before you post.

you're dising everyone on their quotes for how much a turbo system would cost yet your not backing up your statements with anything...

you can't just fabricate injectors and fuel pumps.

now wastegates, piping, exhaust parts? hell yeah.

there's a guy that turbo'd his zx6 1995 in the video's section, he quoted an over all cost of around $4000 without the cost of the bike...fabricating a lot. does this mean turboing a 250, especially in diff situations with different people is going to be the same? hell no. but can you just buy a turbo and custom fabricate the rest? if you say yes to that, your a fucking joke.

the ninja 250 2000-2004 can be had for $1500-$2000. Custom turbo setup = about that if you have some real fabrication skills.


I've helped setup turbo projects for lots of rice burners, and a few domestics...am I an expert? no. but do I have a good grasp of what materials you need to add a few lbs of boost to a car? i think so


would I like to see someone turbo a 250? HELL YEAH I WOULD! but do i honestly think anyone would do it? nah


Learn about topics before you post.

[rocket1243]

Well to get to the performance part of your question. The 600 has better suspension, brakes, frame, tires, wheels, etc.

But as far as straight line power lets look at the power to weight ratio.

FYI I'm just going to use round numbers to get an idea here so don't come busting my balls about it not being exact.

Stock 250:
35hp
330 lbs wet
9.428 lbs/hp

Turbo 250: 14.7psi (just for conversation sake)
70ish hp
340 lbs wet
4.45 lbs/hp

Stock 600
110 hp
400 lbs wet
3.67 lbs/hp

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How would a turbo 250 compare to a non-turbo 600?

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