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doesnt it have an extra 75 cc? it better have more power..!!!
and also, the 6RR should be compared with the other ones, as it is the one with 600cc....
Doesn't it also have one less cylinder? Thusly, changing the horsepower equation quite a bit?

More ccs != more power. More than anything, it changes the manner in which the power is developed.

Remember, when it comes to real life (where most of us ride, mind you,) there is no displacement limit. The "600cc rule" that sportbike makers use to build their middleweight street bikes is essentially meaningless. It means nothing to anybody, save those whom actually race them in a 600cc racing class. The 675 is cheaper than the R6 by $300-$500. Maybe we should use that as a metric, instead?
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Old 07-21-2006, 02:44 AM   #32 (permalink)
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It's ENTIRELY possible. That's why you need to run them all at the same time on the same day on the same track.

Some tracks grip better for launches. A cooler day will give you a couple more HP from the air being denser, as will a lower elevation.

Also- the wind plays a large factor.

Those times are not set in stone, but the relations to the other bikes should be aparrent.

She's an avid drag racer I'm surprised you had to mention this. Come on Dani, you know you can't compare same vehicle, different day at different tracks! Same goes with dyno pulls.
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doesnt it have an extra 75 cc? it better have more power..!!!
and also, the 6RR should be compared with the other ones, as it is the one with 600cc....
It also has only 3 cylinders. 3 vs 4 cylinders is a dissadvantage when it comes to specific output. Besides, the daytona makes about 80% of its peak power at 4000 rpm's. The rest of the 600's are slugs down there. It's the flat torque curve that gives you the acceleration when you need it. Peaky powerbands like the R6 are only useful at the track.
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Like I said ZX-6
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If you find a Triumph dealer besides the one in Chatanooga selling the 675 for cheaper than an R6 I'd like to see it. Most dealers have them @ $1k or better over MSRP.
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Ummm.... go Triumph??

Well i hope it finishes first 675 verse 600 hmmmmm
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Well i hope it finishes first 675 verse 600 hmmmmm
Did you skip the last few posts? It also has 1 less cylinder... not going to retype what was already said though, just scroll up.
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Like I said ZX-6
Read the bottom of the chart.
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OK, somewhat off topic, here, but go back to the chart that chandra posted...


Are these bikes specifically set up for the 1/4 mile? It seems like they completley run out of steam as soon as they pass that mark... look at the ZX-6R... 0-137.3 in 10.4 seconds. To get another 2.7 mph faster (up to 140) took another 2 full seconds. The same goes for all the rest of the bikes in that chart... The Triumph gets to 135.7 in 10.5 sec, and then takes another 2.5 seconds to add another 4 mph. Is it just coincidence that their acceleration happens to die at the 1/4 mile mark, or do the manufacturers specifically optimize the bikes for the quarter at the expense of acceleration at higher speeds?
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Read the bottom of the chart.
Doesn't make THAT big of a difference. The EURO ECU mod only helps at the near red-line RPM range.

Here's a dyno run of a ZX-6R with US ECU vs. EURO ECU:
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Truth be told... ZX-6R spanks the competition!
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OK, somewhat off topic, here, but go back to the chart that chandra posted...

Are these bikes specifically set up for the 1/4 mile? It seems like they completley run out of steam as soon as they pass that mark... look at the ZX-6R... 0-137.3 in 10.4 seconds. To get another 2.7 mph faster (up to 140) took another 2 full seconds. The same goes for all the rest of the bikes in that chart... The Triumph gets to 135.7 in 10.5 sec, and then takes another 2.5 seconds to add another 4 mph. Is it just coincidence that their acceleration happens to die at the 1/4 mile mark, or do the manufacturers specifically optimize the bikes for the quarter at the expense of acceleration at higher speeds?
Just watch this... it might help:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/c...4bce561420.htm
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Doesn't make THAT big of a difference. The EURO ECU mod only helps at the near red-line RPM range.

Here's a dyno run of a ZX-6R with US ECU vs. EURO ECU:
http://photos.motorcycle-usa.com/06zx6r.jpg

Truth be told... ZX-6R spanks the competition!


SPANKS?!?

it's 0.04 seconds faster in the quarter mile than the next bike. You don't think the Euro ECU could be responsible for 0.04 seconds? Think again....

Whatever- arguing about this is worthless. They're all essentially the same speed given the same rider. Even in the hands of pro riders, it'll come down to who's having a better day at the track.

Though the torque curves are what you should really compare... the Triumph will have a HUGE advantage on corner exit speed, as will the 636 over the other bikes.

So which is faster in a quarter mile? Maybe the 636... but who the fuck really buys a 600 class bike to go drag racing?

I mean- there's some people who do, but i'd say the majority of people take them to tracks....
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LOL... relax. I'm just messing around. I doubt anyone here on there boards will notice the difference between ANY of those bikes.
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Most of us aren't good enough riders for the performance differences to even matter.
That hits the nail on the head!!!
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man sportsrider must have had a shitty rider on the r6.
Ninesecondjen ran 10.6 on her 06 R6 at San Antonio. I think she ran a faster time later. All stock. Not even lowered
How much does she weigh?
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