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Old 11-20-2012, 10:19 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I wear a helmet because I actually like my head and want to keep any possible harm down to a minimum.
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I wear a helmet because I actually like my head and want to keep any possible harm down to a minimum.
i just gotta add that i am also allergic to asphalt.
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i just gotta add that i am also allergic to asphalt.
You must have hated recess as a kid. I can imagine avoiding the blacktop like the plague.
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i just gotta add that i am also allergic to asphalt.
Me too. When people ask me about the gear that's one answer of give them.

I have to be honest I wasn't.prepared for anyone to actually believe me... I didn't have a really.good answer except yeah I break out in a really bad rash.


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You must have hated recess as a kid. I can imagine avoiding the blacktop like the plague.
well, they said not to play in the street. sounds like a win-win.
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Let me start with: Riding without a helmet is dumb. But then again, so is riding.

So what are the chances regarding the stupidity of both? Well, riding increases our risk of dying by 3500% (rate per vehicle miles traveled) over your risk in the average cage.

So what about helmets? Well, they reduce risk in the following ways:
Non-DOT non-full-face: Reduces head injuries, but does not protect against face or brain injuries.
DOT non-full-face: Reduces head and brain injuries, but does not protect against facial injuries.
DOT full-face: Reduces head, face, and brain injuries.

So let's look at these various injuries...

Of all accidents assessed and recorded at the scene (which, by definition, ignores accidents where the motorcyclist was well enough to get away without emergency services arriving in time) we see:

Unhelmeted riders received moderate to severe facial injuries 6.6% of the time. Helmeted riders (both DOT and non-DOT) received moderate to severe facial injuries 5.1% of the time. This is from a sample of 101,987 riders (CODES 2003-2005). Of these 43.1% were unhelmeted, 48% were DOT-helmeted, and 8.9% were non-DOT helmeted (NOPUS). The difference between the two groups likely being that unhelmeted riders, by definition, don't have face protection, but the helmeted group includes full-face helmets.

From the same sample, unhelmeted riders received head injuries 8.1% of the time. Helmeted riders (both DOT and non-DOT) received head injuries 5.3% of the time.

But rarely do head or facial injuries alone result in death. Disfiguration, sure. But death usually only comes in the form of infection when it comes to these types of injuries. That would be why in 2003-2005, only two motorcyclists died due to head or facial injuries (both of whom, ironically, were wearing helmets), which brings us to the best reason for DOT-compliant helmets:

Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI)

From the same group as above, 8.7% of unhelmeted riders received TBIs, and 6.3% of helmeted riders did as well. If we assume that non-DOT helmets do nothing to reduce the risk of TBI over being unhelmeted, and using the NOPUS finding that approximately 84% of these helmets are DOT-compliant, we can extrapolate to a reasonable degree of certainty that the change from 8.7% to 6.3% (a 2.4% drop) would instead be a change to 5.8% (a drop of 2.9%) if all of the helmets worn were DOT-compliant.

So what does this tell us? That wearing a DOT-compliant helmet saves you from TBI in 2.9% of wrecks (8.7% - 5.8%), and does nothing for you in the other 97.1% of wrecks, where either your head didn't strike anything hard enough to matter, or struck it so hard that even a DOT helmet didn't prevent death or a TBI. This is likely why so many people who have wrecked without a DOT helmet think that they didn't need one when, in fact, they just weren't part of the unlucky ~3%.

So what about levels of brain injury?

Of the 101,987, there were 1,623 potential TBI, 3,378 mild/moderate, and 2,522 severe, broken down as follows for without/with helmet:
All: 43,983/58,004
None: 40,138/54,326 (91.3% / 93.7%)
Potential: 912/711 (2% / 1.2%)
Mild/moderate: 1,607/1,771 (3.7% / 3.1%)
Severe: 1,326/1,196 (3% / 2.1%)
So what we can see here is a slight reduction in all three categories of TBI based on helmet use. Potential, M/M, and Severe are reduced by 0.8%, 0.6%, and 0.9% of the overall total respectively for their categories. If we again assume that 84% of the helmeted riders were DOT (per NOPUS) and that non-DOT helmets do nothing to prevent TBI, then we can again extrapolate expected decreases of 0.9%, 0.7%, and 1.1% for these same categories had all of the helmeted riders worn DOT-compliant helmets.

In short, this means that DOT helmets do reduce TBI in each category in roughly 0.9% of cases. It also means that this reduction is greater than the number of those shifted from the "dead" to the "alive but brain-injured" category.

As for death, ~3,750 died. If we use the NHTSA's estimate that helmets are 37% effective in saving lives, we can calculate as follows:
48% wear DOT helmets, therefore 48,954 of the 101,987 would have been wearing one at the time of their wreck.
100% of those not wearing DOT helmets did not derive this "37%" benefit and therefore died.
63% of those wearing DOT helmets did not derive this "37%" benefit and therefore died.

So...
37% of the 48% entering into accidents which would kill an unhelmeted rider live. (17.76% of the total entering)
63% of the 48% entering into accidents which would kill an unhelmeted rider still die. (30.24% of the total entering)
100% of the 52% entering into accidents which would kill an unhelmeted rider die anyway. (52% of the total entering)
Ergo: 52% plus 30.24% = 82.24% of all of those entering into an accident which would kill an unhelmeted rider died. 17.76% lived because of their DOT helmets.

Since we know that 3750 died, this means that 3750 is 82.24% of 4,560. Thus 4,560 are the total number who entered into the accident that would have killed an unhelmeted rider.

Thus, 810 lives were saved in this case. If all of these 4560 riders had been wearing DOT helmets, then another 877 of the 2,371 non-DOT-wearers would have survived.

So what are the rates regarding fatalities here?
2,371 non-DOT-wearers died, which is 4.5% of all non-DOT-wearers who wrecked and were part of the study.
1,379 DOT-wearers died, which is 2.8% of all DOT-wearers who wrecked and were part of the study.

Summary:
Wearing a DOT helmet does the following:
Saves your life in about 1.7% of accidents
Prevents traumatic brain injuries in about 2.9% of accidents

Wearing any helmet does the following:
Prevents head injuries in about 2.8% of accidents
Prevents facial injuries in about 1.5% of accidents

Final thought: It's odd to get on someone about something that increases their risk of death in a wreck by 1.7%, but be okay with doing something else that increases it by 3,500%.
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here let me fix this for you sir.

"I am not an English teacher, brother. (brother being slang in this context)"


And clearly there is a hole in your education if you feel that being able to correctly and accurately convey yourself is the equivalent of being some form if literary or grammatical instructor. Big difference there child, and it clearly would do you wonders to spend that money on a proper education instead if a new bike.
allrite professor, how much u charge for ur clazzes, n whats grammer gota do with ridding, i posted my story n hope of helping others, but appearntly you got beat up to much as a youngster
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allrite professor, how much u charge for ur clazzes, n whats grammer gota do with ridding, i posted my story n hope of helping others, but appearntly you got beat up to much as a youngster
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Alright professor, how much do you charge for your classes? And what does grammer got to do with ridding? I posted my story in hope of helping others, but apparently you got beat up too much as a youngster.

And after correcting your post, I will reply with my own post.

Grammar and spelling illustrate how intelligent of a person you are. In terms of riding a motorcycle, your intelligence with how your communicate help paint a picture of your intelligence with riding a motorcycle and how well you can handle any given one.

Without intelligence, you are just a walking & breathing piece of existence that could very well be an safety risk for the lives of those around you and for the negative impact of insurance rates and reputations for fellow riders around the country.

Or you could ignore my entire post and believe that I am calling you a stupid douche who uses their accident as a crutch and excuse in life.
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I think we should should show more compassion to the guy that got in the accident.

Scissors, do you have a like to the stuff you are shoveling? You have a lot of statistics, none of which conform to the Hurt report, as I understand it. If there is important new information to be had, I'd like to get it from the source.

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I think we should should show more compassion to the guy that got in the accident.

Scissors, do you have a like to the stuff you are shoveling? You have a lot of statistics, none of which conform to the Hurt report, as I understand it. If there is important new information to be had, I'd like to get it from the source.

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Having the basic ability to communicate with people is incredibly important.

no this isn't an English paper- it IS just a forum- but as noted- absolutely NO one is going to take you seriously if you can't string together a handful of words into a cognizant sentence.

No I wouldn't say we expect perfect everything's- I personally am definitely not a grammar nazi- I post crap from my phone that makes my head hurt- but I try really hard to proof read and spell check to make sure my point is conveyed reasonably well.

Not a single person is ever going to take you seriously if you can't figure out the difference between and S and a Z.

Christ even autistic kids know better than that.

Furthermore (which by the way means- in addition to those points I'd like to add one more)

Greg... If you cannot spell or communicate clearly- yes it's going to impact your riding. How the fuck are you going to figure out where you are going- or what signs you are looking at to inform you about the road ways or what the rest of the motoring public is doing?

I won't even get into the "if you can't post a competent post on a forum then you probably shouldn't be riding a god damn motorcycle" aspect of that.

PS... I didn't much get beat up- made fun of sure... absolutely- but guess what- I was the one guys like you asked for help on your homework with- and now look at us. So go ahead- try to make fun of my childhood- I'm really offended- and upset by the guy who doesn't know the difference between s and z.... said no one ever.
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I felt compassion, up until he started being a douche.
It's amazing how people start to do that when a bunch of people start bitching about their grammar, isn't it?


The guy just came here to share his story, it's not like he's going to be a top contributing member here. Shit if you guys didn't bust his balls about his grammar he'd probably only have like 2 posts.
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I am sure there are many members who posted in the New Rider section that felt the same way. Tough Love. Better a bunch of faceless internet folks saying it than any job interviewer of potential dates.
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