GP style shifting?

Desp · 11-10-2004, 11:32 AM

So, after reading the other guys thread (the one with the chip on his shoulder), I still can't figure out, what exactly is GP style shifting? And how does it prevent false neutrals? And does anyone get false neutrals shifting up? Because I only get them down shifting, which I can usually avoid if I don't completely pull in the clutch so there's still a little bit of pressure.

Ghost GTO · 11-10-2004, 11:44 AM

Exactly why do I have a chip on my shoulder?

GP style shifting is where you shift up one to go into gear one, and to get to gears 2-6 you have to shift "down" so to speak. basically the opposite of the stock set up.

Stock is 1 down , 2-6 up.
GP is 1 Up, 2-6 down.

I get false neutrals shifting from first to second. But I don't get it anymore.

Hope that answers your questions.

chsnprodigy · 11-10-2004, 11:51 AM

GP shifting is instead of 1 down 5 up, its now 1 up 5 down. It is designed for the track mostley, when your leaned over sometimes you cant get your foot in the proper position to shit up with you toe, and its easier to push down with your toe when leaned over, but of coarse this is up to personel preferance. Some of the older world champions had regular shifting, and most the newer champs use GP shifting, so its really up to you. I get false nutrals every now and then, but its no were consistant to really worry about it. Hope this helps.

Desp · 11-10-2004, 12:17 PM

Ahh, that makes sense. It'd take some getting used too..

GTO, I don't know why you have a chip on your shoulder, it just seemed like you were overly defensive in the other thread. Thanks for answering my question though.

I mainly get false neutrals shifting from second to first when down shifting... or between 4 and 3.

kazlab67 · 11-10-2004, 12:27 PM

False neutrals keep you on your toes. Good practice on pucker response if you are about to hit a car.

Hagios · 11-10-2004, 01:45 PM

Hah! False neutrals!

The older (-93) EX500s have a problem where on engine braking the tranny will pop from second into neutral. I'd MUCH rather have a false neutral

RACER X · 11-10-2004, 02:06 PM

alot of false neutrals can be eliminated by wearing proper m/c boots or thicker soled (more rigid) shoes , instead of tenny's..........

redcbrla · 11-10-2004, 02:13 PM

so is this thread about gp shifting or false neutrals? i can't think of when i have ever had a false neutral. maybe that ties in with racerx's remarks about boots...i would assume if you wear boots you are shifting harder which i always do, even in the rare instances that i am wearing tennis shoes. shift that thing...!

as for gp style that seems like it would take some getting used to. but then again so would sliding your rear, front, and dragging a knee all at the same time!

repsol · 11-10-2004, 02:46 PM

between 1st and 2nd?? i think thats a real neutral instead of false neutral.

i try gp shift once on my bike, but after 1 day immediately change it back, its serve no advantage but to mess up your shift - especially when you learned and have been using the reg shift for yrs.

coolatula · 11-10-2004, 05:21 PM

I had an old dirt bike with this style shifting. So,when I started riding small street bikes I had to relearn to shift the "Normal" way.
I think the reason they shifted like that on race bikes(besides the corner explanation which could also be true) is that down a straight on the course riders could "Bang" the gear shift(no clutch ?) down quickly like a drag racer which may have been a little quicker and insured the shift was positive.
I used to shift my little dirt bike like this(not using the clutch) and it seemed to be a little quicker,but I felt it was hard on the bike, so I didn't do it very often.

Ghost GTO · 11-10-2004, 05:35 PM

No problem desp. Its just that sometimes i get sick of people going off topic in my threads just to stat some bullcrap or make themselves look big and bad by picking on newbies.

Ghost GTO · 11-10-2004, 05:38 PM

No problem desp. Its just that sometimes i get sick of people going off topic in my threads just to stat some bullcrap or make themselves look big and bad by picking on newbies. I've always said, you gotta start somewhere. and all the flaming seriously gets old.

Hieu

RayOSV · 11-10-2004, 05:54 PM

GP shifting would take some getting used to. Not for me thanks as I usually don't shift while leaned way over anyway.

For a time I would occasionally get a false neutral between 5th and 6th. As I always wear boots, the solution was to focus on "shifting with authority". No more problems with that. You might also check the angle of your shift lever. If it's too high, you might be more prone to a false neutral on an upshift as the angle of your ankle would be more extreme. Conversely, if the lever is too low, the reach may be harder on a downshift as you would need to extend your ankle more.

Krazy Hawaiian · 11-10-2004, 06:48 PM

Want something hard to get used to try a old Triumph or BSA with the shifter on the "wrong" side and the shift pattern "backwards"!!! Brake on the left. Go into a turn too fast and almost certainly you'll crap your pants

Desp · 11-10-2004, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by repsol

between 1st and 2nd?? i think thats a real neutral instead of false neutral..

Well not exactly, because my light doesn't come on, and if I press down again to hit first it doesn't do anything (just goes down, doesn't engage) so I have to actually shift back up, then shift down again.