FZ6-R Project/Track Bike - Page 3

Ducksridingbikes · 09-04-2007, 05:41 PM

good luck bro

Parabellum · 09-04-2007, 05:45 PM

Right on, I totally see where you are coming from.

breesej · 09-04-2007, 08:02 PM

Don't want to be a hater, but I thnk you're wasting money.

Should have just sold the FZ to buy a track bike with the sale money. You could have gotten a really capable SV or 600 for $3000 add $1000 in some extras and you're set as far as equipment. Or sell your FZ and take Keith Codes Superbike School and use their bikes for $650 a day. Or just pay off the R6s faster to avoid the interest charges.

You remind me of a friend who wants to spend $3500 on a blower for his Mustang GT to go faster at the track. I pass him in a 102 hp RX7.

To each their own!

DefyInertia · 09-04-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by breesej

You could have gotten a really capable SV

Bah! I love passing SV650s...plus our bike is much better looking and way more unique! Fast on a quasi-slow bike FTW!!!

oso2k · 09-05-2007, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by breesej

Don't want to be a hater, but I thnk you're wasting money.

Should have just sold the FZ to buy a track bike with the sale money. You could have gotten a really capable SV or 600 for $3000 add $1000 in some extras and you're set as far as equipment. Or sell your FZ and take Keith Codes Superbike School and use their bikes for $650 a day. Or just pay off the R6s faster to avoid the interest charges.

You remind me of a friend who wants to spend $3500 on a blower for his Mustang GT to go faster at the track. I pass him in a 102 hp RX7.

To each their own!

What good is a really great track bike if I'm not able to use it properly? I'm not looking to hop up a bike and expecting it to make me a faster rider. I am hoping to become a better rider while making a better track bike out of my FZ6. That's all. I'm sure you're able to pass your friend in RX7 because you're a better driver than he is and you better understand how your RX7 operates than he does about his Mustang. I'm trying to be just like you extract the most track fun that "I" can out out my FZ6. Suggesting I go get better a track bike is doing what your friend is doing; buying a better tool yet I haven't learned to fully utilize this class of tools.

Poutanen · 09-05-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by oso2k

The R6S and FZ6 (especially in stock form) are very different bikes. The weight difference is noticeable, the steering geometry is totally different (kinda like race versus cruiser different), and the suspension parts certainly bargain bin on the FZ6. You'd be surprised by how different the tuning is on the R6S versus the FZ6. The FZ6 is designed to be more stable in lower RPMs (more predictable torque) while the R6S has a kick in the lower RPMs. The analogy I like to use is the difference between a Mustang GT and a Mustang V6. Sure they share a lot of commonalities but the GT model uses a lot of primo parts. And I'm sure the difference between a Mustang GT and a Shelby Mustang isn't all that great. That's kind of like the difference between the R6S and R6 (aka R6R or R6 4th gen). How many riders can make use of the benefits of the R6R vs. R6S? Probably 1 in 20. Same goes for the Mustang GT & Shelby. And most of those benefits are probably best extracted on the track. However, how big of a difference is the V6 vs. GT or the FZ6 vs. the R6S? Awwww...a lot more fun and almost every bit as usable. Plus you get the benefits of upgraded suspension, braking, etc.

Now that said, I think some of us still don't get why you'd want to spend money on fairings, etc. for a bike that isn't suspended for the track, the engine isn't ideal for the track (though there's nothing wrong with it), etc.

Why not save your money, track the FZ6 as it is (esp since you figure maybe 3-4 track days a year!?!) and then when you've got some good seat time, you'll be more apt to see the benefits of a better bike.

Please don't take this as a put down, it just seems like throwing money at it for no reason. If you want to put the money into cosmetics to make it *look* like a track bike, then that's a different story, and sounds good to me. But without a fair bit of suspension work, and lightening, it's just going to be an FZ6 with fairings.

Parabellum · 09-05-2007, 10:05 AM

That is why I think the best plan would be:

1) Keep the FZ6 for the street.

2) Put a crash cage on the R6S and track the hell out of it. Its got a much better setup for track days anyhow.

That would save you a lot of money and you could put those funds toward the FZ6, for street mods

It just seems like you have one bike that is the perfect street bike and another that is the perfect track ready bike....and you are taking the street bike and tracking it out (at great expense) while keeping the better track bike on the street?

Randomchaos · 09-05-2007, 10:13 AM

He is tracking the FZ6 over the R6 due to the FZ6 is payed off and the R6 isnt. It sucks totaling a bike and still making payments on it. Crash cages dont save a bike from damage at high speeds, specially if he highsides. As to why throw the money at it? Why not? Its his bike, his money, and never really been done before. Everybody has that urge to be different

DefyInertia · 09-05-2007, 10:27 AM

Wouldn't a crash cage significantly reduce avail. lean angle? Would that even pass tech inspection???

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Originally Posted by Poutanen

Now that said, I think some of us still don't get why you'd want to spend money on fairings, etc. for a bike that isn't suspended for the track, the engine isn't ideal for the track (though there's nothing wrong with it), etc.

"Ideal" - is there a championship at stake? It's a 2004 fuel injected sub-500lb work of art......what were people riding/racing at the track 15 years ago??? Should they have just waited until better bikes came around. There are better options, yes, but can he exploit them at this point...probably not.

Poutanen, do you have ANY first hand knowledge of how the FZ6 performs on the track? Do you have ANY first hand knowledge of how exactly an R6S performs at the track? And no, parking lots and magazine articles don't count.

I think he's just having fun with it kinda like Random said. I personally am keeping the mods on my FZ6 limited to suspension, brakes, body position, and lean angle, but that is just me....I also spend thousands on track days.

Going fast on a tracked out FZ6 is []D [] []V[] []D

Parabellum · 09-05-2007, 10:27 AM

Actually, its been done quite a bit:

http://www.yamaha-motor.com.au/fz6cup/

But its cool....his money, his priorities.

I wouldn't be putting a penny into the FZ6, I would be paying off the R6s...but that is just me.

Randomchaos · 09-05-2007, 10:33 AM

That doesnt look like a full faired FZ6....

EDIT* R6 fairings that is.

Parabellum · 09-05-2007, 10:34 AM

So all this is about the full fairing????

On a bike that has a top speed of less than 150?

Why?

DefyInertia · 09-05-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Parabellum

Actually, its been done quite a bit:

That's an FZ6 and that's not what I consider a "crash cage". You mentioned a crash cage that would protect an R6S in a crash on the track....show me one that would both protect the RS6 and not limit lean angle. Keep in mind you mentioned the cage as a solution to him not wanting to wad up a bike that he's making payments on....that's gonna be one sturdy cage.

Parabellum · 09-05-2007, 10:38 AM

Um, I'm not trying to argue with you or anyone else.

I suggested a cage as an idea to look into. If it will limit lean angle, or fail tech inspection, then clearly its not an idea to pursue

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And my comment "its been done quite a bit" was in response to this comment:

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As to why throw the money at it? Why not? Its his bike, his money, and never really been done before.

Which is clerly wrong. Many many people have fully tracked out FZ6s before...if that statment was ONLY referring to the idea of putting a full fairing on this bike, then I misread it. I still think putting a full fairing on a sub 150mph bike is a waste of money, but hey, its not my money.

Have fun you guys, I'm out of here.

DefyInertia · 09-05-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Parabellum

So all this is about the full fairing????

On a bike that has a top speed of less than 150?

Why?

Yeah.....I wouldn't cause it adds cost and some weight plust the naked FZ6s looks awesome.

http://www.gron4.com/2007/event090207/beg/264/

The wind does hit me pretty hard on the straights but on most smaller tracks it's really not an issue and I'n not racing so. Might keep some bugs off your helmet too.

But really....I think he just likes it that way.