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Old 04-17-2007, 04:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This is a Vid on a friend on mine with his STAGE II superCharged Busa. I never liked the supercharge personally, i prefer the Turbo, its cheaper and easier to install than a supercharge. But from what i have seen the SuperCharge is great for the strip but on a long straight (1mile) the Turbo will eat the supercharge. I was chatting to one of the guyz who installs super chargers on bikes and he said the stage II supercharge will give around 400hp! okay thats great but a Stage I turbo on a busa will give you around 320hp, add 50 shot Nos and your over the charger. Plus Although my friends bike is wicked, he spent a fortune on it, even the block was changed, it cost him alot of $$$$$$ and i mean alot of $$$$$
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Old 04-18-2007, 04:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Sweet bike and cool vid.
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Sweet bike and cool vid.
Wow! you have a turbo gixxer... what do you think of my conclusion of Supercharge Vs Turbo?
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A turbo bike will always make more power being that there is no parasitic loss to spool the turbo. It's by far the most efficient way to make whp. If all out drag racing or landspeed racing is your goal a turbo will win hands down.

A supercharger has its strong points and the main one is rideability. It will require the motor to lose some whp due to the fact that it must turn the supercharger by a belt and a supercharger will produce more heat than a turbo. What it loses in top end power to a turbo it gains in low end torque. There is instant power from idle and that is very streetable. When I do build my roadracer I will hands down pick a supercharger because the power delivery is more predictable and smoother. A supercharged bike will make more power and be more reliable than an all motor bike or nos bike of the same whp.

The worlds quickest and fastest bikes all use turbo's. To each their own.
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A turbo bike will always make more power being that there is no parasitic loss to spool the turbo. It's by far the most efficient way to make whp. If all out drag racing or landspeed racing is your goal a turbo will win hands down.

A supercharger has its strong points and the main one is rideability. It will require the motor to lose some whp due to the fact that it must turn the supercharger by a belt and a supercharger will produce more heat than a turbo. What it loses in top end power to a turbo it gains in low end torque. There is instant power from idle and that is very streetable. When I do build my roadracer I will hands down pick a supercharger because the power delivery is more predictable and smoother. A supercharged bike will make more power and be more reliable than an all motor bike or nos bike of the same whp.

The worlds quickest and fastest bikes all use turbo's. To each their own.
I do agree, i have seen a few races between the two and the turbo always overcomes.
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A turbo bike will always make more power being that there is no parasitic loss to spool the turbo. It's by far the most efficient way to make whp. If all out drag racing or landspeed racing is your goal a turbo will win hands down.

A supercharger has its strong points and the main one is rideability. It will require the motor to lose some whp due to the fact that it must turn the supercharger by a belt and a supercharger will produce more heat than a turbo. What it loses in top end power to a turbo it gains in low end torque. There is instant power from idle and that is very streetable. When I do build my roadracer I will hands down pick a supercharger because the power delivery is more predictable and smoother. A supercharged bike will make more power and be more reliable than an all motor bike or nos bike of the same whp.

The worlds quickest and fastest bikes all use turbo's. To each their own.
I've always seen supercharger being faster in the 1/4 than a turbo. The reasoning was from the lag that comes from the turbo having to spool up taking too long and not making hp at the launch, and losing in the 60 ft times and never making it up. I've never seen a race of exact same motors with similar turbo/superchargers, etc, etc. But this is just what I've heard. Not that it matters.
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I've always seen supercharger being faster in the 1/4 than a turbo. The reasoning was from the lag that comes from the turbo having to spool up taking too long and not making hp at the launch, and losing in the 60 ft times and never making it up. I've never seen a race of exact same motors with similar turbo/superchargers, etc, etc. But this is just what I've heard. Not that it matters.
I have no clue where you have seen that from. As of now I have yet to see a supercharged bike put up numbers in sportbikes. I heard of some high whp bikes but, none that really eat the 1/4 up. Now if you were to say a NOS bike in the 1/8 I would fully agree but, in the 1/4 nothing traps like a turbo bike. Nos bikes 60ft better and that is a fact but, in the 1/4 there is no contest in trap speeds. You will be surprised to hear how many lbs of boost that turbo bikes set up properly are launching at. Usually that problem is that turbo bikes make too much whp to early and that really hurts et's. The worlds fastest bikes in categories that are allowed to have a power adder are all turbo bikes. Regardless, I'm not bashing you by no means, I would expect to hear different being that your from NC and the vast majority of fast bikes come from NC hands down. Nos vs. Turbo is pretty big there. Notice that I have NO LAG!!! under my screename.
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Answer this then... If turbos are superior power producers why do Top Fuel cars still use superchargers?


I know the answer. I'm wondering if you turbo fans do....
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Answer this then... If turbos are superior power producers why do Top Fuel cars still use superchargers?


I know the answer. I'm wondering if you turbo fans do....

Just off the top of my head, I'm thinking that either the exhaust gasses are too hot or the exhaust routing would be too restrictive.

I really don't know
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I'm interested to hear as well. Especially considering my family runs two supercharged rails comming in at 1100hp and 1200hp.

Show me a 350SB turning those kind of numbers that didn't cost 30 grand to make.
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I would say its partialy cause superchargers are easier to set up from track to track and keep consistant. And I think NHRA rules kind of favor the super chargers. that and most of top fuel and funny car is the holeshot gotta have that bottom end
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for one, it would take about 3 engine cycles on a nitro burner to completely destroy a turbocharger, among a hundred other reasons..........but i'm wondering why anyone would want to compare a top fuel car to a motorcycle? comparing apples to oranges would be an understatement; it's more like comparing a battery powered travel sized iron to a steam roller.

superchargers have no real place in the world of small displacement, fuel injected gasoline engines. you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. sometimes it's cool to build an oddball project if you're trying to showcase fabrication skills or do something for the hell of it, but thats about it.
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