Anyone opt for the 'RACE PREP' package?

Epee · 03-14-2007, 10:36 AM

I see it listed on the web site and my dealer told me about it. He made sure to let me know that it can be added later no problem.

I see that they are doing a project bike on this 675.

Anyone do the factory kit?

pros.........cons............or just build it up yourself?

Fargin_Bastige · 03-17-2007, 09:53 AM

link?

Epee · 04-08-2007, 08:28 AM

http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/3603_4824.aspx

Fargin_Bastige · 04-08-2007, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epee

http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/3603_4824.aspx

That's not a package you can just buy.

It's essentially parts to build an AMA FX racer or World Supersport bike.

Each part is order individually and it intended for race bikes. I am developing an AMA FX 675 and we have to order these parts individually to increase the state of tune.

In other words, if you're not racing it, this is a waste of your money as NONE of it will make your bike faster unless you can ride at that level and by that level I mean national level racer who gets paid to ride.

Not to mention, if you order these parts, it will cost you about 30K in parts and labor alone, not including the bike.
http://www.jacklilley.com/products_c...ry_type_id=799

Epee · 05-01-2007, 08:56 AM

C'mon?

30K? for a cam, some valves, a slipper clutch and tranny perks. O.K. it could be pricey and you'd need a real mechanic to install, tune it. But $30K?

Race intended means that you can't access that HP increase if you're a lowly street rider and don't live at the track where only Gods of bikes exist, making their laps lofting inches above the tarmac, floating above the rest of us, poor, slow, idiots that don't deserve bikes that have horsepower?

I thought us lowly street riders spent ridiculous amounts of money on every upgrade we can get our ham fisted, grubby little hands on. I just wondered if .......ANYONE had done it.

"NONE of it will make your bike faster unless you can ride at that level and by that level I mean national level racer who gets paid to ride".

Are you serious? So power commanders don't make your bike faster, better flowing exhausts. I guess I'll just buy bright colored gear and pose, since performance upgrades won't improve my..............performance unless I'm a licensed, sponsored, racer?

Don't mean to flame on you dude, but I've just seen this attitude so much. We love bikes and ride when we can, as hard as we can, cut us a break if you're better, more experienced than us, don't punish me with statements like that.

Fargin_Bastige · 05-01-2007, 09:35 AM

First off, what level of race experience are you speaking from? Do you have any concept of how much it costs to build a supersport bike? We have an article on the front page that details costs associated. I've spent 3K so far and I've only bought thinner gaskets and a cam adjuster from Triumph. This is inclusive of the engine builder doing his job. More parts=more money. Doubt it all you want, just go ahead and blow the cash and see where you wind up. There's also an article on the front page

As for the parts making a streetbike faster, do you have any concept of what I am talking about?

First off, the cams are biased towards top end. They are high lift cams. This moves the power upstream in the powerband. This means it will inherently be a shittier street bike. FX bikes are way softer off the bottom end than a Supersport bike. The reasoning is that they have high lift cams. They have more power, but don't drive anywhere near as hard off of the bottom as the Supersport bikes do.

Raising the compression will also make the bike shittier as well. Again, baised towards a different power output. When it's hot outside in the summer, let's see how much you love a high compression motor.

Not to mention that your valves can actually contact your pistons and they necessicate frequent rebuilds, but I'm just blowing smoke up your ass, right? Since I've actually taken measurements and have seen valve to piston contact in Daytona 675 race kitted bikes, I guess I'm just not real understanding of it.

Kick in a large diameter exhaust and you move your power even further upstream, making it a shittier street bike.

Even on track, you still don't understand how these parts change the characterisitics of the bike and how they will generally hurt performance of a bike that is easy to ride on track.

But, you think it's just some elitist looking down on you. That's not the case. Those parts have a very specific purpose. You wouldn't be using them for that purpose and they do not work well in any other role.

So, the only thing that's punishing you is your lack of understanding. Don't ask for information if you don't want to hear the answer.

One more thing, where did I say my riding talent could exploit these parts in my post? Just curious how you came to that conclusion.

Epee · 05-02-2007, 03:13 PM

race experience = 0

EASY KILLER???

I just wondered if anyone had ordered, done, seen, heard any of these mods. I don't remember making comments about you or your riding. Racers sometimes come across with an attitude that they, are as you said, elitist. We're the 99.9% trying to figure all this out, you guys are the few that have invested all the time and money and have the answers. Cut us some slack?

That comment just killed me,

"NONE of it will make your bike faster unless you can ride at that level and by that level I mean national level racer who gets paid to ride".

Yes I know what you mean, but c'mon, just read it as you wrote it?

none of the race pack will make your bike faster....

Fargin_Bastige · 05-02-2007, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epee

race experience = 0

EASY KILLER???

I just wondered if anyone had ordered, done, seen, heard any of these mods. I don't remember making comments about you or your riding. Racers sometimes come across with an attitude that they, are as you said, elitist. We're the 99.9% trying to figure all this out, you guys are the few that have invested all the time and money and have the answers. Cut us some slack?

That comment just killed me,

"NONE of it will make your bike faster unless you can ride at that level and by that level I mean national level racer who gets paid to ride".

Yes I know what you mean, but c'mon, just read it as you wrote it?

none of the race pack will make your bike faster....

And that comment is true. None of it will make your bike faster, unless you can use it. What's hard to understand about that?

It doesn't mean a thing if your bike posts 130 on the dyno, if the powerband shrinks to a 2K range and your motor needs rebuilds every 400 miles. For a normal rider to spend that money, they will see no quantifiable gain on the road.

Yes, I have bought these parts and I am giving you knowledge from my experience building the motor and developing the bike.

If that little sentence bothers you, then you really need to take a step back and take it as a comment and not an insult. After all, it was a comment and I have no qualms saying that to you. Sorry if you find it an insult, but the vast majority of riders, present company included, would not be faster with motor kits. Try working on your riding skills and suspension before you even think of breaking into the motor.

h@rry · 05-19-2007, 02:46 PM

man, what argue!!!

trifle66 · 06-04-2007, 11:16 PM

All in all... I just have to wonder why a package was created? I read about it too and the way they market it, it sounded like an interesting concept. Know I know all about parts having to work together, can’t change one thing with out affecting the other.... now I just wonder about the arrow exhaust package and how much that would affect the bike as well....

Grashopr · 09-04-2007, 04:19 PM

the Arrow race exhaust (full system) is a bolt-on setup that is available to any 675 owner without necessitating any other changes except a remap of the ECU ($50 at the dealership or buy a tuneboy and do it yourself).

However, most of the race-only parts beyond the stage-1 Arrow exhaust dont work independently of other race components. I race CCS, and had aspirations of the race-only intake stacks for my 675 racebike. However, if you look, 2 of the stacks are 'tall' and the #1 cylinder gets a shorter stack. This caused me to ask questions about why that shorter stack was there, and I found out that the #1 cylinder needed a 'unique' fuel map as because of the firing order, the short stack on #1 made more power, but also changed the fuel requirements for that cylinder as opposed to #2 and #3. Awesome, however, to get that unique fuel map, you have to go to the 'race only' ECU (more $$), which means you have to run the 'race only' wiring harness, 'race only' cams and 'race only' manual-adjust Idle Adjustment setup ($$$$).

After all of that, the bike hasn't really gotten any 'faster' for the 99.9% of riders out there (street riders), as with all of the changes, the top HP has been increased a BIT, but the bottom end torque (see: street riding) has been all but eliminated, and the 'sweet spot' of power has been moved up in the RPMs.

AND, none of this stuff is going to help you go any faster if you aren't already riding the bike beyond it's own limits. If you dont know what that means, then you aren't (not that I am... CCS is 'grass roots' racing).

Fargin is giving you straight-shooting advice, it's just difficult to comprehend if you dont 100% understand what the parts actually do. However if you DID 100% understand what the parts do, then you wouldnt' be asking, huh?