Issues with CCS management

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

Originally Posted by Justin726

There's a new road race track being built just outside of my town. From the way it sounds, the track should be done this summer and is planning on having some CCS races there in the middle of September. The CCS website is showing the races on the 16-17.

This track is just about 12 miles or so from my house. It should be nice having a track like this in my backyard. Now I just have to wait a few more years til they get their 1/4 mile drag strip done.

There are actually 2 events scheduled to be held at that track with CCS, the 1st one is July 22/23-2006. If you haven't checked out their website yet here is a link: Motorsports Park Hastings (MPH) .

For 2006 CCS has joined forces with Track Addixx which is a track day organization to run the Great Plaines region of CCS races. Because of this there will also be track days put on by Track Addixx that should be surrounding those racing events, either before or after the event. This will give people in your area the chance to get out on this course themselves. Looking at the track map on their website the layout looks to be fun at 2.23 miles long, now hopefully with Track Addixx involved with the people building this track they will make it a 'safe for motorcycles' track!

[badgixxer]

well i hope you guys have better luck than we did last season with CCS they fucked us over hard at Arroyo Seco Raceway and the SW Series as well - i was trying to find the thread about it in the AZ Forum but can't - sorry - basically alot of the promises they made to our local organization they didn't keep almost all of us are still waiting for our contingency $$$$.....
best of luck and Justin YOU SUCK.... wish i had a track 12 miles away...

[terrasmak]

Originally Posted by badgixxer

well i hope you guys have better luck than we did last season with CCS they fucked us over hard at Arroyo Seco Raceway and the SW Series as well - i was trying to find the thread about it in the AZ Forum but can't - sorry - basically alot of the promises they made to our local organization they didn't keep almost all of us are still waiting for our contingency $$$$.....
best of luck and Justin YOU SUCK.... wish i had a track 12 miles away...

Im glad i wasnt around last season to race , i dont think i would have drove to freaking New Mexico from Vegas to race . I think my limit is 5 hour drive . Except for a few special races once and a while

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

Originally Posted by badgixxer

well i hope you guys have better luck than we did last season with CCS they fucked us over hard at Arroyo Seco Raceway and the SW Series as well - i was trying to find the thread about it in the AZ Forum but can't - sorry - basically alot of the promises they made to our local organization they didn't keep almost all of us are still waiting for our contingency $$$$.....
best of luck and Justin YOU SUCK.... wish i had a track 12 miles away...

That has alot to do with the clusterf**k arrangement they had with Clear Channel Entertainment (CCE) and the big business stranglehold they had on CCS. Kevin Elliot (head honcho at CCS) is very devoted to motorcycle racing and has held onto CCS firmly to keep it going by seperating from CCE to make it a better series in '06. The previous arrangement with CCE had different aspects of CCS run by different offices thruout the country, now every aspect of CCS will be run from their single office out of Fort Worth, Texas. It sucks what happened for you guys, but I would blame that more on CCE than CCS. Here in the Midwest CCS is a great thing, sure there have been bad things that have happened, but overall it's been good for us. It seems as though Kevin is truely making a strong effort to improve CCS rapidly as seen by their new website, I even sent him an E-mail concerning the new points structure and he responded with a very good personal E-mail back to me that took a little bit of time to type up.

I'm afraid you guys may be screwed on the stuff you never got paid out to you from the '05 season, but that's because CCE handled that aspect of the business from what I understand and treated CCS as the bastard red-headed step-child from hell. Now with them no longer associated with CCS I would guess payouts from back then may not happen. It sucks that CCS looks like the bad guy in all this, but they are somewhat restricted in what they can say from a legal aspect concerning CCE, so they have to kind of bite their lip and take the bad that wasn't caused by them directly. Just thought you should know this before you trash talk them too bad.

[badgixxer]

i'll just agree to disagree with ya about CCS there's more to it than just payouts....

[Philbie]

I feel blaming CCE for CCS's downfalls is kinda like blaming the dog for the cat being pregnant.

CCE didn't prevent CCS's staff members from answer phone calls and emails. It's called piss poor staffing and management. Not much is going to change IMO.

I hope Kevin can make things better but until CCS becomes less money driven and more for the racers and developing the sport, good luck.

[badgixxer]

here's some info for ya.....

Sometime Racer

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

Originally Posted by Philbie

I feel blaming CCE for CCS's downfalls is kinda like blaming the dog for the cat being pregnant.

CCE didn't prevent CCS's staff members from answer phone calls and emails. It's called piss poor staffing and management. Not much is going to change IMO.

I hope Kevin can make things better but until CCS becomes less money driven and more for the racers and developing the sport, good luck.

I know from talking with people involved that CCS was constantly trying to get more staff, but CCE controlled that aspect of CCS and didn't allow money for it. I also understand why many complaints went unanswered, because CCS was not in a position to do anything about them due to CCE being in control of all money related issues, but I also agree it wasn't a good way to go about it. I suppose the reasoning there would be that since CCS couldn't really do anything about those complaints listening to people complain would be just that, 'listening', without the means to really get anything resolved concerning money related issues.

I'm confused how you guys think that CCS pays out tire contingency certificates (according to the other thread you linked to)? Why would CCS be paying your Michelin contingency money? They just tell the contingency providers how competitors did and the sponser does the paying out. I can see if it was CCS purse money for a specific class, but how is lack of payout of contingency from a manufacturer their problem?

I understand you guys feel you got screwed, but look at the big picture here, was it really CCS doing it or was it CCE? I mean CCS only had the resources available to it that were provided, they can't just hire more people without someone paying their salaries. Again, CCS wasn't in control of the money related issues, CCE was, now that CCE is gone it will be fair to judge CCS after the '06 season is complete. I stand behind CCS as an organization I look forward to racing with for years to come, the improvements already happening for '06 look good. I think '06 will be a good year for CCS racers.

[badgixxer]

and if CCS doesn't do the paperwork we don't get paid....

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

Originally Posted by badgixxer

and if CCS doesn't do the paperwork we don't get paid....

I know in the past there were issues with numerous contingency sponsers not paying out for some time, I personally talked with the person involved in sending that info from CCS to the sponser and they told me they had documentation of having sent it within a week of the event. To make sure that the info had not been lost or something she re-sent the info to the sponser that day for me. I never recieved that contingency money ever from that contingency sponser, I wrote it off and discontinued using that companies products.

Have you at least made an effort on your part and contacted the contingency sponsers directly to confirm if they ever recieved the results? If they had not I would bet any reputable company would promptly contact CCS and get those results so as to keep their customers happy. If you haven't gone this route yet I certainly wouldn't keep focusing on CCS as being the culprit, after all why didn't the contingency sponsers representative contact CCS in the 1st place when not recieving any results from an event IF that was actually the case? I mean what does CCS gain by not sending the results, it's a simple E-mail, it doesn't cost them anything? Make sure that you've got the correct witch in this witch hunt, I see the contingency sponser more to blame if they never sought the results from CCS in the event they had never recieved them, after all they are the ones who stand to have angry customers. And if for some strange reason the diabolical CCS would not release publicly available results to the contingency sponser, then why didn't the sponser just look at the results online or contact your region directly and payout that way? That is such a minimal thing to ask of a major corporation that it seems negligent that the contingency sponser did not seek this on their own in order to maintain a good relationship with their customers.

[badgixxer]

okay well apparently you're the public relations officer for CCS so you're not going to listen to what i'm saying and you're just gonna continue to find someplace other than CCS to place the blame....

so good luck with your racing with CCS...i for one will never race with them again...

[Philbie]

Lets see here where shall I begin?

Ok, I did get some contingency earlier this year. For a race I never ran along with some of the other guys. When a 26year old and two guys who are 35 are getting $$ for a Formula 40 race that should draw a flag.

When Michelin doesn't get the paperwork from CCS for tire $$, that isn't a CCE problem. Our SW Michelin rep along with the track owner went directly to Michelin with the entire years results. WHY? Because they feel the racers deserve the $$ they've earned. That is a problem, again, with CCS not CCE.

I don't understand why the sponser should go to CCS for the results. Michelin, in this case, isn't holding the event.

Anyway, this is beating a dead horse. I respect the loyalty to an organization, it's what make them stronger. I personally will never race another CCS event because of several other issues, not just contingency. Good luck next season.

[Jammin_Johnny]

IMHO

That's why a radio conglomerate should stay out of racing! CCE should stick to the music play lists and get their hands completely out of motor sports......PERIOD.

[badgixxer]

rock on they have no business playing motorsports when all they do is play music