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Old 02-20-2008, 03:23 PM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #31 (permalink)
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Best thing to do is just not be the fastest car on the road. Be the second-fastest. It's worked for me. In Massachusetts, I used to travel in the left-most lane. Now, I seldom travel in the left-most lane and am more often in the middle lane or in the lane to the right.

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However, traffic court is about revenue generation. Many judges could care less about the rules of procedure. Because of the legal test and civil status, the case is ultimately decided whatever way the judge cares to.
Ding.

As I found out with my fight, always pick a jury trial. I made a good case at my trial and embarrassed the cop.

The judge hesitated and ultimately "found me guilty by admission". I admitted that I changed lanes abruptly to allow a motorcycle cop entrance to the street (which he already had his front tire partially in my lane). I was charged with "Failure to Maintain Lane" and it was around 80 bucks.

The judge didn't even look me in the eye when he talked to me.
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Threads like this piss me off.

Fuck the man.
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Since you "lost" your trial, and paid your money ($1,000s for the next 3 years), you should at least try to get your money's worth, by paying attention to WTF happened, and learning from it to prepare for your next ticket. Getting mad (motivated) is the first step to winning. Just channel that energy to productive work, not spinning your wheels in road rage. Yes, the US Supreme Court and state supreme courts agree you can tell any cop to fuck off to his face, as guaranteed free speech by the First Amendment, but it's more profitable to learn how to win in court.

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He writes me a ticket for 81 in a 55.. but says the charged speed will be 64 in a 55 so it's less than 10 over.

Then he gives me the ticket, and proceeds to tell me that if I try to fight the ticket and it goes to trial, he will bump the speed back up to 81 and i WILL get the maximum penalty.

WHAT THE FUCK? A COP, THREATENS ME WITH BLACKMAIL... "IF YOU TRY TO FIGHT IT I'LL FUCK YOU".....

Isn't there some sort of law against that???? Can he REALLY do that??
"Extortion by the court" is what lawyer textbooks call this situation. Every defendant who refuses to lay down and be a good slave and plead guilty to a crime will always be punished by a prosecutor and judge. A plea bargain allows defendants to pay the minimum price. Demanding a jury trial always results in prosecutors seeking a max penalty, and judges are happy to order that, if the state wins.

This is true in all traffic cases. That why it pays to read your state's Rules of Criminal Procedure and Rules of Civil Procedure, in addition to the vehicle statutes and constitution, plus US Constitution. If it's a city cop in city court with a city attorney that never handle criminal arrest trials, then it's civil procedure only. They want to get nitpicky on rules, so you get to prove it's impossible for them to follow their own rules.

Extortion usually applies when criminal charges are threatened in a civil case, which is in fact what a traffic ticket is, a frivolous civil lawsuit for alleged breach of civil driver license contract. Hint: Signing your name is signing a voluntary contract. Duress voids any contract BTW. Your state's supreme court rules for lawyers will allow disbarment for any prosecutor that is accused of such extortion. That's why lawyers in civil rights cases rarely advise clients to file criminal charges against cops.

The ticket attempts to protect the cop from arrest for perjury (filing a false report), by charging you at 81 mph, then attempting to agree to a plea bargain at the lower speed. Make no mistake, you are actually charged with 81 mph, NOT the lower speed, though this opens the door to a constitutional defense of "void for vagueness", for having 2 speeds charged on the complaint.

The 81 mph would be easy to beat, by proving all the many ways radar is defective (plenty of books explain how to do that, see People vs Ferency, 133 Mich App 526, 533-535, Michigan Court of Appeals 1984; 351 NW2d 225; Miami also had a big case for 85 mph palm trees, which suppressed radar evidence in ALL cases over 80 mph State of Florida v. Aquilera).

To defeat radar in court, using the Essential Elements listed in Ferency, see the free video How Any Idiot Can Beat a Radar Speeding Ticket, by Pastor Rick Strawcutter certified paralegal.

Biker lawyer Norman Fernandez also has a free ebook, How to Beat a Speeding Ticket.

"Necessity" is always a valid defense, since the 85th Percentile Speed is the only safe speed, keeping up with the majority of traffic. Even the fed govt's traffic engineers write reports admitting that speeding is SIX TIMES SAFER than driving a speed limit. But Necessity is an "affirmative defense", requiring a "confession" to the crime. Best tactic is to never confess to a crime. BTW, count, state and fed traffic tickets carry a max jail sentence of up to 6 months, minimum sentence 30 days. Why confess to a CRIME??? Nevermind that driving safely without crashing is now classified as a "crime".

Note that to really have a chance at winning, you must be prepared to call the judge's bluff and appeal, which usually requires a large prepayment of appeal bond, unless you can prove indigency.

Note that even if you lose in court, you never have to pay any fine or court costs if you're "indigent". In Florida, you're indigent if you own a $1-million home without a mortgage, under the state Homestead Exemption. File an Affidavit of Indigency with the court's own form, sign your court documents "in forma pauperis" (and "under protest" per UCC 1-207 and your state's equivalent UCC statute), and declare "tenancy in the entirety" if your state allows it (making spouses NOT liable for debts). This is called being "collection proof" and applies in all civil and criminal trials, since debtors prisons are unconstitutional.

To make a citizen's arrest on a cop for extortion or perjury, it's required to grab him and drag him to a judge (while he points a gun to your head and threatens to blow your brains out), or file an Affidavit of Probable Cause for Criminal Complaint with a judge or grand jury foreman (NOT with the cops or DA). Or include that affidavit as an exhibit in your Answer to Complaint for the speeding ticket.

Here's 2 examples that I've done, that won 2 trials and got 100 govt employees fired, including the court clerk:

Affidavit of Probable Cause for Criminal Complaint

Answer to Complaint

Buy a copy of the cop's in-car video, then use it against him at trial. The video will include his audio threat. This is also why every driver should carry a hidden tape recorder ($20 lie detector) for use during every traffic stop. If he was violating any law without his emergency lights and siren turned on, then he must be prosecuted too, or charges must be dismissed against you per Constitutional Equal Protection doctrine of 14th Amendment (that supposedly freed the slaves). That's how I won my last ticket, by refusing to be a slave, just like Rosa Parks.

Here's the cop's video that didn't show me breaking any law:

VIDEO: Cop busted with 5 crimes in 60 seconds, prosecutor phones to dismiss case

When you win, file a Bill of Costs with the court clerk, for refund of all your expenses, such as the video. Govt pays the court costs. If you hired a lawyer the govt would have to pay his bill, as sanction for malicious prosecution.

The prosecutor could also be indicted if he continued with the case by suborning perjury, just like ex Duke DA Mike Nassios, former attorney at law. Seems the 3 lacross players' family of lawyers didn't appreciate paying $3-million to get charges dismissed against innocent family members in the crazy stripper's "rape" case (ie, cheap tips from broke college students).

Traffic tickets are Big Business, and both judges and cops get paid salaries of $200,000/year, while govt literally is forced to file bankruptcy in fed court, to avoid paying cops their salaries. Just say NO.


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Old 03-29-2008, 01:48 AM   #35 (permalink)
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I already lost bro... but thanks for the good info. next time, i wont be so submissive. FUCK THE POLICE.
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I already lost bro... but thanks for the good info. next time, i wont be so submissive. FUCK THE POLICE.
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BLUFFING - he can't "change his mind" when he gets to court and up the speed.

What he put on the ticket is all you can get fined for - no matter what he says now.
Actually he can. He was giving a break by lowering the amount. The speed listed could be considered reckless operation which is another charge and a much higher fine. He didn't want it to bite him in the ass for being a nice guy. He can "reissue" the ticket for the speed that was noted.

You may not like it, but you admit that you were speeding. Take the paper and get on with life. I've gotten two tickets in my life. I deserved both of them.
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Dude you had at least 3 cops by my count in this thread attempt to help you. Not cool.
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Old 04-30-2008, 05:30 AM   #39 (permalink)
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i guess i would have asked if there was any video evidence of him clocking you. so was he driving when this happened? that sounds very unsafe to me if he was operating the vehecle while pointing the laser radar from infront of you.
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You can't use one location as a reference for the rest of the country, not all cops get 200k per year for a salary.

Redding, CA starting pay is ~45k.

Bend, OR it's a bit closer to 48.

Portland iirc is around 52.
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I just found out in iowa they dont have to show you the radar, they dont have to lock the speed in, and they dont even have to use a radar. They can make a "rough estimate". So they can say whatever they want.
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Dealsgapdragon is full of shit again.

"Traffic tickets are Big Business, and both judges and cops get paid salaries of $200,000/year, while govt literally is forced to file bankruptcy in fed court, to avoid paying cops their salaries. Just say NO."


$200.000 a year for cops? Where do you get your figures? Comic pages?
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"All you can do is submit to the man and take it."

Actually, you could just obey the laws and not have to deal with it at all but I doubt that is how you live your life.
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I just found out in iowa they dont have to show you the radar, they dont have to lock the speed in, and they dont even have to use a radar. They can make a "rough estimate". So they can say whatever they want.
it seems to me they are banking for you to just pay the ticket and not fight it.
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