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Old 01-19-2008, 10:34 AM   #16 (permalink)
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That's not blackmail, and it's standard practice. It's done to make the cop's job/appearance in court easier and quicker; you accept a lower offense and don't fight it which makes it easier and quicker for all involved.
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Old 01-24-2008, 10:50 AM   #17 (permalink)
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That's not blackmail, and it's standard practice. It's done to make the cop's job/appearance in court easier and quicker; you accept a lower offense and don't fight it which makes it easier and quicker for all involved.
Clearly you are confused about what blackmail is.....so let me help you to understand the definition (straight from dictionary.com)....

black·mail /ˈblækˌmeɪl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[blak-meyl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
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1. any payment extorted by intimidation, as by threats of injurious revelations or accusations.
2. the extortion of such payment: He confessed rather than suffer the dishonor of blackmail.
3. a tribute formerly exacted in the north of England and in Scotland by freebooting chiefs for protection from pillage.
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4. to extort money from (a person) by the use of threats.
5. to force or coerce into a particular action, statement, etc.: The strikers claimed they were blackmailed into signing the new contract.


See that last part... to force or coerce into a particular action. I'm being "coerced" into not fighting the ticket. When you are told, "if you do this, i'm going to do this to you"... that's blackmail... clear as day.
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:52 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Go to court and you will be fighting the charged speed, not the actual speed. You'll be fighting a 9 over ticket but he'll be sure to let the judge know that he gave you leniency on the side of the road. That will encourage the judge to give you the full punishment of 9 over.
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Old 01-31-2008, 08:40 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Logically, I would think that if the ticket had a spot to mark/record both of those speeds, then it's possible the officer was simply trying to tell you that if you fight the ticket, he would say you were actually doing 81 in a 55, then the judge would actually decide the outcome(possibly on the 81) and that as long as you don't challenge it, the system(court)will just cite you for the slower speed..I don't know for sure, but in here in California, they only have one speed and once that is written down, then that is the speed you were going and the cop couldn't say otherwise, or more than likely, the ticket could be dismissed...remember, all you need to prove is reasonable doubt to have it dismissed..but it sounds like you're screwed....good luck
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remember, all you need to prove is reasonable doubt to have it dismissed


Oh, wait, you're serious. In traffic court, a cops word removes all reasonable doubt to a judge.
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See that last part... to force or coerce into a particular action. I'm being "coerced" into not fighting the ticket. When you are told, "if you do this, i'm going to do this to you"... that's blackmail... clear as day.
While your definition may be correct, it's incorrect in your situation...You weren't blackmailed, you were told the truth ahead of time...Most just let you find out the hard way on the day of court...

What the officer stated to you is the truth, and standard practice...By paying the ticket of 64mph, and not going to court, you will have accepted a plea bargain, and thus a lesser sentence/fine...If you go to court, you must face the full charge of 81mph...If you lose then you're at the mercy of the judge...And you better hope he/she is in a good mood...
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File that complaint. Just hope that dude doesn't pull you over again. Good luck.
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Old 02-06-2008, 09:19 AM   #23 (permalink)
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The court system in Maryland does the same thing - try and fight a ticket, and they can up every one to $500
Hmm, I've lived in MD all my life and have been to traffic court many times.
I've never seen anyone get a $500 fine for fighting a ticket.
Unless I'm misunderstanding what you are saying.
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I know it sounds incredible, but it is not against the law for a cop to lie to you to get you to confess. That's whats going on here. He will not be disciplined for doing it, however it might be an indication of just how weak the case is.

If he does testify that he clocked you going at a higher speed than he swore to, ask for the case to be dismissed on the basis of the discrepancy. Your argument would be that the inaccuracy is an indication that other facts of the case may be in error, thus not meeting the test of preponderance of evidence.

However, traffic court is about revenue generation. Many judges could care less about the rules of procedure. Because of the legal test and civil status, the case is ultimately decided whatever way the judge cares to.
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remember, all you need to prove is reasonable doubt to have it dismissed
That's not the standard legal standard for traffic matters.
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I got fucked. Went to court, explained my case to the judge, she looked at me, and said, if you want to argue the case, you will be looking at 81 in a 55.... she then says, "good luck explaining and proving that you were not doing that". I said, "well, it will be my word against the cop, right"? She said, "yes". I bent over and took it. She was rushing me to make a decision and honsetly i was just getting pissed off, so i said fuck it. Karma will get her, and the cop, right? (i hope so)....

The judge then reminds me, that in delaware points will last me 3 years (2 of which i just got as a result of this ticket).... I educated her that they go to 1/2 point value after 1 year... then 0 point value after 2 years... and after 3 years they are no longer used for insurance records.

She looked at me with a blank look on her face, and told me i was wrong. I advised her to look at the delaware dmv website, where it clearly states this. She still disagreed with me. How many judges and police officers in my state don't know the laws as well as the citizens? All of them.

Really, i'm starting to get annoyed with my state (delaware), the laws in delaware, the police in delaware, and well.... just about everything here. FTP and FMFD. (F*ck Mother f*cking Delaware). End of thread / rant.
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Yeah but even if i would have showed her the correct policy on points.. she would have still just looked at me stupid and given me the penalty she gave me, or worse..

not fucking worth it...

All you can do is submit to the man and take it.
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All you can do is submit to the man and take it.
Intresting choice of words. With that attitude ur lucky u didn't go to jail.
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