Rsv 1000r

[legionaire]

Got a question for you Aprilla owners. I am thinking about buying a RSV 1000R, and am wondering how it stacks up to all the other litre bikes out there?

[crankcase]

it doesn't really stack up with the other L bikes but if you want the best ridding, best handling, great all around bike this would be the best choice.

shop around im sure you can get these at a good price.

[MilleR Time]

depends on how you want it to 'stack up' .. truthfully i think it handles beautifully, has plenty of power, and is very stable.. almost too stable at times. i suppose i dont see how Crankcase can say it 'doesnt stack up' Mille's have never really had a hard time being competitive with any of the other liter bikes, and to bear witness of this:


http://www.aprilia.com/portale/eng/m...tml?id=824&t=1


http://www.aprilia.com/portale/eng/m...tml?id=816&t=1

but maybe Crankcase would like to elaborate further?

[SalKhan]

Affordable V-Twin sportbikes will be dead soon. Get them while you can.

[59Bassman]

They just have to hold on 2 more years until I'm ready for my RSV-R. Rode one at Daytona this year. I will own one, just not yet.

[MilleR Time]

Originally Posted by SalKhan

Affordable V-Twin sportbikes will be dead soon. Get them while you can.

i dont think thats necessarily true.. i think they've still got a market, Aprilia for one has said that they've committed to sticking to the Vtwin design and plan to race one again in 2006 possibly in WSB. on the racetrack they seem to be on par with all of the 4's still to this point which equates to sales on the showroom floor. we'll see how much more advanced 4's get in the future.

[chsnprodigy]

I love my Mille R, I think it handles better then any other Jap bike ive ridden. If you looking for strait speed over along distance this isnt the bike for you. If your more into torque and actully riding the bike ie leaning it, this is the bike. Everyone asks me how fast it is, there thinking im going to spit out 180mph, but then when I tell them it tops out at 165mph, they kinda get this confused look on them until I explain that this bike wasnt designed for strait "busa" speeds, its made for torque and power out of a corners. Its a amazing ride, you have to love the sport to actully love this bike.

[SalKhan]

I don't put much stock into anything Aprilia says anymore until I see it. If it were Honda, maybe it would different.

The problem as I see it are the regulations now give the I4s a distinct advantage in terms of having the power on tap if needed. The physics of it don't bode well (I4 = Less moving parts, less friction, higher RPMs, more HP) and the torque advantage is all but gone leaving the mid-corner tractability (2 Pulses vs 4) all the VTwin has left... and sometimes getting over that just takes a smart rider. Awful lot of riders are smart though because in the World Superbike Series, 24 of the 30 bikes in the regular field have 3 or more cylinders. I think the numbers are higher in AMA.

Don't get me wrong, I would be sad to see it go away as well. I just think from a racing and sales point of view, without making them rare and pricey: It's just not economically feasible and there's options out there with better efficiency. I think Ducati is already realizing that with the Desmo16. Yeah, it's umpteen million gazillion dollars now: But it always starts out that way.

MotoGP is a good example of where the future is heading now since it's 4-strokes: And there are no VTwins and the Triples suck for the simple fact that they can't make enough power, or make that power easily manageable.

I hope I'm wrong... But I can't see the racing/sport bike future of V-Twins going on much longer.

Originally Posted by MilleR Time

i dont think thats necessarily true.. i think they've still got a market, Aprilia for one has said that they've committed to sticking to the Vtwin design and plan to race one again in 2006 possibly in WSB. on the racetrack they seem to be on par with all of the 4's still to this point which equates to sales on the showroom floor. we'll see how much more advanced 4's get in the future.

[MilleR Time]

well while i think in general you make a good point, and i agree with the basis of your opinion, i think you're leaving out a few very important details. i dunno why you say that you dont put stock into anything Aprilia says as they've always gone through with what they've promised, and have been pretty damn upfront about things.. however now with the new BMW talks they'll have a considerably larger budget to be playing with. i cant see them breaking any promises now as i cant recall them doing it in the past, they'll require honesty now more than ever to build upon.

as far as power production the figures are absolutely in favor of the 4's.. no one can argue that, however lets compare lap times.. the Ducati's are having no problem what-so-ever of running the pace of the 4's, infact i think WSB Ducati Corse has the least talent in their two riders that they've had in as long as i can remember, and they're still having no problem running up front. hell look at Neil Hodgeson.. he came in to a HORSEPOWER track he hasnt raced in 10 years and only Mat Mladin could outrun him, if the Corse bikes were that far down on power a rider with inexperience could never have managed to out-do the talent in Superbike class. at the test this week he was only what .4 off Mladins pace?.. on a track he's never SEEN prior to the last few days.. if Hodgeson wasnt on a fantastic bike he'd never be able to run with Mladin consdering he's already at a track-knowledge disadvantage. so yes.. while there are far more I4's in pro competition today consider the class of the Vtwins still left in it..nothing to shrug off, also consider that the new 999R is more expensive than i can remember it ever being, and as a privateer you can buy a GSX-R1000 and still have $15,000 left to invest in the rest of the racing program.. i think the 4's are just a better decision financially and thus you see tons more of them in competition.

[SalKhan]

Originally Posted by MilleR Time

well while i think in general you make a good point, and i agree with the basis of your opinion, i think you're leaving out a few very important details. i dunno why you say that you dont put stock into anything Aprilia says as they've always gone through with what they've promised, and have been pretty damn upfront about things.. however now with the new BMW talks they'll have a considerably larger budget to be playing with. i cant see them breaking any promises now as i cant recall them doing it in the past, they'll require honesty now more than ever to build upon.

It was more from a standpoint of their dealings with their dealerships. After being close with at least 3 dealerships and in needing parts, it seems that if nothing else maybe the US wasn't 1st or 2nd on their minds. You can just use www.apriliaforums.com as source for frustration. Anyone can promise and release new products on time (Ummm... I think it's their job actually?), but waiting months for parts that continue to break isn't a good way to follow up on that. North America doesn't seem to be of great importance to them.

Originally Posted by MilleR Time

as far as power production the figures are absolutely in favor of the 4's.. no one can argue that, however lets compare lap times.. the Ducati's are having no problem what-so-ever of running the pace of the 4's, infact i think WSB Ducati Corse has the least talent in their two riders that they've had in as long as i can remember, and they're still having no problem running up front. hell look at Neil Hodgeson.. he came in to a HORSEPOWER track he hasnt raced in 10 years and only Mat Mladin could outrun him, if the Corse bikes were that far down on power a rider with inexperience could never have managed to out-do the talent in Superbike class. at the test this week he was only what .4 off Mladins pace?.. on a track he's never SEEN prior to the last few days.. if Hodgeson wasnt on a fantastic bike he'd never be able to run with Mladin consdering he's already at a track-knowledge disadvantage. so yes.. while there are far more I4's in pro competition today consider the class of the Vtwins still left in it..nothing to shrug off, also consider that the new 999R is more expensive than i can remember it ever being, and as a privateer you can buy a GSX-R1000 and still have $15,000 left to invest in the rest of the racing program.. i think the 4's are just a better decision financially and thus you see tons more of them in competition.

I think you sort of answered my problem. The Ducatis (the only twins) are barely holding off the flurry of I4's. And at what price? Getting a $12k japanese bike to reliably make 40 more WHP than it makes from the showroom (eg: The ZX10R or new Gixxer1000 to the 200HP mark) and to shave off just a few pounds to make it competitive is much more economical compared to a $30,000 bike that needs 60 more HP and even MORE weight dropped to be competitive and no matter HOW much money you have to spend, you still have a budget. Why would a privateer even pick a $17k street trim Ducati or RSV (Not to mention parts) when he can be top-10 competitive with a cheaper bike that need even less work? He still might have to pay pit crew, travelling expenses, insurance, financing the traveling vehicles, lodging, etc... It all adds up. You have to weigh the disadvantages of the 4 to the twin, take into account cost, and... well as you can see by the field: The pros outweight the cons. I would be hard pressed to believe seeing the dwindling number of Ducatis out there that they don't see this either. Unless they have some F'd up plan of bailing WSB (and most likely AMA) as a factory effort to pursue MotoGP, but that would indeed be F'd up. Every empire falls after a certain amount of time, and I have a feeling in terms of competitive racing, it's the end for the VTwins....

... which brings me to my production model issue as well. How do you race in production class without a production bike? We've seen it go the other way around with Benelli, Foggy-Petronas, hell even Harley with the VR1000 made certain runs of their bikes JUST SO they could race. And now look at the flip side with Honda's RC51. Then the RSV. It's a weird vicous business cycle involving to you continue to make it to race? Or Continue to race to make it? I don't have the tech or background to answer that but the history speaks for itself. Yes you have niche bikes: Hayabusa, GSXR750, ZX-12R... But the demand is there, obviously. Their numbers are less for a reason, but the numbers are there.

(afterthought: Check out the World Supersport: 3 of the 25 bikes are twins. And the twins even have 150cc advantage STILL.)

Who knows... maybe FIM will change the rules like AMA did for Buell and say: "Ok Twins... go ahead and run a 150-200cc overbore kit... Just to straigthen things out. But at the same time, we're going to fully derestrict everyone." Now that.... THAT.... be sweet!

As far as BMW partnership: My gut tells me we (the US) won't see much out of this and even if we do, we won't see it affect the sportbike market much unless BMW has some plans to do some RSV platform sharing - much like in the car industry. If Aprilia wants to be Nissan with the 350z and BMW wants to be the Infinity G35 Coupe - then I'm ALL for it! Everyone knows that BMW and Aprilia make awesome multi-use bikes and a merger would probably be excellent for the proliferation of that line as well as the cruisers. But I have a feeling that either it's not going to help the US V-Twin Sportbike market for Aprilia, or it'll be a long time.

Although I can tell you this... I will gladly take a BMW RSV Factory if it came down to it... for the same price of course.

[g®eg™]

Sal!!!!
he lives

[SalKhan]

I wouldn't call it living. More like on life-support with the ability to walk and drive. ;)

What's up homie? Haven't you gotten a better bike yet?

Originally Posted by T-595 Greg

Sal!!!!
he lives

[chsnprodigy]

Wow did this get way off topic, the guy was just wondering what we thought of our Mille's, not if a privateer should buy one to race against inline fours.....Ill put in in plain terms, if you want somthing different that handles like a dream, get this bike, if you want a inline 4 that handles nice get a jap bike. I love my Mille, and probably will never go back to a jap bike for the street.

[SalKhan]

The internet owns you because it is off-topic.

Originally Posted by chsnprodigy

Wow did this get way off topic, the guy was just wondering what we thought of our Mille's, not if a privateer should buy one to race against inline fours.....Ill put in in plain terms, if you want somthing different that handles like a dream, get this bike, if you want a inline 4 that handles nice get a jap bike. I love my Mille, and probably will never go back to a jap bike for the street.

[chsnprodigy]

Originally Posted by SalKhan

The internet owns you because it is off-topic.

ummmm....ok...not quite sure what the hell your talking about.....but ok. IM I think