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Originally Posted by User Name

Originally Posted by User Name
This is where your shortsightedness fails logic. WE are the ones who send autonomous missiles into other countries from a thousand miles away. When they happen to go astray and kill and/or maim innocent people, we say "oops". WE are the ones who support dictators who'll sell us cheap oil. When those dictators oppress, torture and murder their own people, we turn a blind eye. WE then criticize those people who live amidst oppression, chaos and war, partially because of US, when they use whatever means they can to fight us.

And that is true, but again, who would you rather invade your nieghborhood, the American military that makes a legitimate attempt to take civilian casualties into consideration and to minimize them, or a third world country that invades, rapes tortures and kills anything that moves? The cheap oil is all of our fault, we demand it as a country ,we demand everything cheap and we demand access to everything, we are the ones that push the country and we are the ones who turn a blind eye, IM curious, why is it the US is getting hammered on when Britain and france have been in the middleast for how long? Was it ok then?

My point was that a result of our actions is the significant injury and loss of life amongst innocent civilians in the countries we fight and this, in turn, breeds the exact mistrust and hatred we fight. This has exactly ZERO to do with what soldiers go through, it's an analysis of policies and their unintended and undesirable results.

And that is true to a point, so what about the hate and mistrust given to the men and women of this country when they are sent off to do the deeds of the politicions we elect. Where is the accountability of those democrats who did everything they could to undermine this war, to cause as many american deaths as possible, so they could be in power come the next elections, what does that count for?

I can only assume you're continual diversion into the daily lives of soldiers and contention that only soldiers are qualified to participate in that discussion is because you'd prefer to remain willfully ignorant to the fact that, as your actions create exactly what you fight, your service is, at best, utterly worthless and, at worse, self defeating in the larger analysis of foreign policy.

We live in a representative democracy, we have elected those who tell those in the military what to do. Again, we all should accept full blame for this.

This may come as a shock, but Saddam, Bin Ladin, et. all are (were) not the German and Japanese military. They don't, and never did, possess any ability to cause any actual threat to our democracy, so don't insult me by suggesting you and your fellow soldiers today are fighting to defend the freedoms I enjoy.

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I fully agree with this statement.

One thing to remember user, is iM not sure if you realize it, but you have changed since your encounter with the window of an SUV, you used to be full of alot of fun but you have been far more bitter latley, hell, your starting to sound more like me
Serious man, you have changed, now Imagine if someone had grabbed you by the back of your head and shoved it thru that window, that changes a person even more, Cdantc is right, every one of our life experiences changes us, nobody can ever understand what its like to be in another persons shoe's, while the vast, vast majority of our military personal never see combat, those that do, do whatever they have to do to get home, mentally it has to be trying. When your on the business end of a weopon your perception of life changes right there when it happens in a foriegn country life changes even more. I wont pretend to know what he went thru, and he wont pretend to know what I went thru. All IM telling you is have some patience with guys like ctandc, he's been good to debate, hasnt ran around with a swelled head and for christ sakes, I havnt had to invite him to a few rounds in the ring with me eather lol.
Serious man, we are all in this together, like it or not, and I can assure you, when your boy is Elected, we are still going to be in IRAQ, we are going to still be in Afganistan, and more than likely in pakistan and who knows where else.
Im against both wars, I have been back and forth on the IRAQ, but never saw a need for the afganistan war, but I know enough that our politicions never tell the truth, and war is big business for those that pad the pockets of our elected officials.

Just again, remember, we are all in this together.