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Originally Posted by FastNinja76
AARA, very nice articulation. Couldn't have said it better.
There really is no point in using "thought and logic" in responding to you, sorry.
You believe what you believe because you choose to. Period. You dont care about evidence or logic, do you? All Im saying is that nobody can change your mind no matter what. You are an idealog. Thats fine, you have the right to be.
AARA757 seems to be spot on, neither here nor there. See the difference?
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This is not an argument about which of the candidates one should support. I don't support either one mentioned in that video clip.
My comments are geared more toward the main point behind the clip.
There is no connection between 9-11 and Iraq. PERIOD. Al Qaeda was never in Iraq before we invaded them. This is a fact.
o that make one wonder why we are there. There was no threat to our security from Iraq. We were never attacked by Iraqis nor the Sadan government.
Sadam can be many things but a dummy he's not. He managed to stay in power for this long for a reason. He know how to keep the Iraqi population under control and he know not to fuck with countries that would endanger his presidency. He tried with Iran but he was never at risk of loosing his power regardless of the outcome. The last thing Sadam would do is to have anything to do with attacking us. He knew we were just looking for a reason and he would not give us that satisfaction. This is the reason that Bush administration had to fabricate lies to convince the US population that he is an eminent threat to us.
So I ask you, why should one soldier die to protect us from Iraq. It's a cesspool now because we created that. What you don't see in the mainstream media is how many civilians are killed each day. These are innocent people just like you and me. They, regardless of ethnicity, religion, do not deserve to be killed senselessly.
Today, we are far more at a risk of being attacked than before we invaded Iraq and it will only get worst. If you believe we are safer today than before we invaded Iraq, then you're a fool because you're ignoring all the facts.
Now lets look at the fact that why we are still there. Let me ask you, would you let your son, daughter, brother, sister, or father mother die TODAY in Iraq fighting this war just because you want to save face? This is exactly what we are now doing. We are trying to save face. We will NEVER win this war, period. You can't win a war when you're fighting the actual populous of a country. Those who could flee already did. 2 MILLION and counting. Those who decide to stay has to choose a side and it's not just two sides, it's more like 4 to 5. Only one of them is us. This make you the enemy of 4 other groups regardless of which side you choose.
We often like to say that these are terrorists with IEDs and suicide bombs and they are hoodlums and law less people. All of this while we are attacking them with so called smart bombs and tanks and everything else that the modern technology affords us. If you don't have these technology, how are you supposed to fight us. Simple, they use tactics [IED], and smart bombs [suicide].
Let me over simplify this war.
Imagine for a minute that we are attacked by Iraq today. We were invaded and Iraqi soldiers are in our streets telling us what to do. I will promise you that I will be one of those so called insurgents. I will take up what ever arms that I have and will fight them to the death. Then they get to call me a terrorist or an insurgent.
When you hear and see the war from one point of view you miss the full picture.
Lastly, who should be held responsible for all the civilian deaths in Iraq after we invaded them? Who? The answer is ridiculously simple...
Figure it out.