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Originally Posted by NeekTav
^^^ To answer the question I would need to know if you mean the new rider and experienced rider have the same demeanor(for lack of a better word)on a bike.If they do then of course the new rider probably has more risk.
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That is the only way the comparison would be valid. I didn't think it would be required to state identical factors. It's like comparing drag times of a bike - the riders have to be equivalent or the comparison is not valid.
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If you take an experienced rider and add drinking and stunting and high speeds etc and take a new rider that dont insert those risks,I feel the new rider is safer.
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But the new rider is NOT safer than someone who acts in the same way. If you take a new rider and insert stunting, drinking, and high speeds, he will not be 'as safe' as an experienced rider with those same factors.
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thats my whole problem with the way stats are. You can assume they are having problems with the bike. Which I would agree could be a possibilty but I would assume in some of the cases they had a problem trying to push their bike past their OWN skill level. Some dont push their skill level too much.
Am I wrong in assuming that?
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Yes - you are. An experienced rider, by definition, knows how to control the bike. A new rider does not - they are a new rider and are learning. The MAIDS report statistics are available online.
Generalization with statistics works. If it didn't, then statistics would vary wildly from sample to sample. Instead they are generally steady or either increase or decline very gradually, which indicates commonalities about the sample that are true.
Is a new rider that doesn't take risks safer than a new rider who doesn't. I would tend to say yes, but the danger is because they don't know how to control the bike and are learning - when learning you will make mistakes
There is a 'baseline' safety below which no new rider can fall and that limit, according to the stats, is highest in the first 6(?) months. As you gain experience the baseline goes down. You can increase it by doing stupid things, but it cannot go lower than 'x'. By hopping onto a 600ss, the equivalent of a CBR900RR which is most definitely not a beginner's bike, you are inserting additional risk - like I said, the risk may very well be high enough that you are as much at risk as an experienced rider who drinks and rides (this is just an example, not a concrete fact)